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here's gene Steinberg so the day after

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we have the one the only the inimitable

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our guest co-host is Jay Randall Murphy

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and we're going to have a fascinating

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session in fact it's really one

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interesting question from our audience

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that we'll deal with later but right now

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I suppose we should deal with other

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issues yeah I wanted to go back a little

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bit in the past because last week we

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were talking about a book traveler a

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fictionalized version of the Aurora

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Texas case and there was a piece that

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you posted in the power cast forums dawn

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about William Cooper maybe give our

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listeners kind of a remembrance of that

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William Cooper was a fellow that

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surfaced back originally in July of 1988

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on the old perronnette system when it

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was still being held by the founder Jim

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Spicer and he came on to the perronnette

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with a story that while he was a naval

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crew member onboard a diesel submarine

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back in the mid-1960s he was a lookout

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on the bridge when he witnessed a

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gigantic UFO object leave the ocean and

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fly up into the clouds and then shortly

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later either that object or one

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identical to it came back and once again

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dove beneath the waves

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now that was basically his original

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story as time went along he had allied

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himself with John Lear the son of

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aviation stormy genius bill weir

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of Learjet corporation and layer during

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that period of time had released a

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inflammatory thesis on the UFO topic

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claiming that the United States

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government had entered into a secret

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treaty with extraterrestrials here on

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planet earth in an exchange of for

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technology from the extraterrestrials

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this is what was in leers paper the

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government allowed the ETS to conduct

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covert animal mutilations cattle

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mutilations and abductions of human

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beings for biological material and

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biological examination as time went

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along both those guys were coming under

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increasing scrutiny and sometimes fierce

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criticism because Cooper had allied

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himself with Lear as more time went

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along Cooper's story evolved and changed

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from what was originally a simple

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military sighting to being an insider in

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the Navy on a covert naval briefing team

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in Hawaii that made him privy to

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practically all the conspiracies

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then-current in the United States and

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around the world you had to be there to

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witness it and to believe what was was

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happening now there were a lot of things

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going on then the bob lazar story which

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came out of las vegas with television

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journalist george knapp and many others

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well because of my position at UFO

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magazine I was

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privy to all of this actually quite a

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bit more some of it later became public

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knowledge other bits and pieces didn't

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but as this was going on

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alliances were changing there was a lot

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of acrimony that was happening

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Cooper originally a very polite guy not

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the over bearing thug that he later

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became but Cooper was was apparently

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dealing with a lot of personal demons he

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had a severe alcoholism problem he

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became extremely antagonistic toward

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anybody that ever questioned him or his

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sources it would get to the point where

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there would be screaming shouting

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matches and at several UFO conferences

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where Cooper attended even degenerated

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into physical fights I mean it was quite

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a shameful mess quite frankly now

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because of several things that happened

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in Vegas involving Lazar George Knapp

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John Lear and Bill Cooper Cooper had

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appeared on one of Knapp's television

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programs along with John Lear and along

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with Lear's original hypothesis there

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was another document that popped out

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called the Oh H krill papers Oh H krill

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papers now if I was writing science

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fiction anything with the word krill

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would sound like a really big cliche

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well you've got to be familiar with the

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history of a lot of this which I am back

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in the fifties Naval Intelligence in the

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United States was contacted by a woman

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back east who alleged that she had been

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in mentally telepathic communication

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krill CR y ll and that's a little-known

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footnote in the history of UFO history

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and the Navy investigators came out they

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questioned her and they did some kind of

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an investigation on it and we're talking

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now we're talking over 60 years ago

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so the OAH krill documents k are I ll

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actually ended up being another thesis

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that John Lear and another guy by the

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name of John Grace who then back then

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was still an active-duty Air Force

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noncommissioned officer NCO grace had

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written some other things conspiratorial

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things some wild crazy theories about

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UFOs that he bundled up in a book called

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the matrix Lear knew the guy and they

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worked on this document and the problem

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was Cooper had claimed that back in the

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early 1970s when he was a part of this

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naval briefing team in Hawaii had seen

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these documents in navy files

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well that was patently impossible

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because Lear and John Grey's had only

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just written these documents that's a

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year or two before so anyway when Lear

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heard Cooper say this on this interview

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that he had seen these papers in the

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Navy back in the 70s he walked up to him

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and he said bill he said what are you

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he said what do you mean you saw the

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papers I saw the papers no you couldn't

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have seen the papers because John Grace

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and I just wrote these papers and Cooper

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just continued to emphatically state I

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saw those papers I mean this was a guy

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you truly could not talk to and folks

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this story is just beginning we haven't

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begun to explore all the things that

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happen involving William Cooper and

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these other people we will continue

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talking about Cooper with Becker and

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life Donna yeah so Cooper always a

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paranoid person always feeling that

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everybody for whatever reason was out to

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get him suddenly went on the attack

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he attacked John Lear he attacked George

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a physical attack but began writing

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calling them which was something he was

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information Lazar ended up taking some

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of this fire when Cooper claimed that

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Bob Lazar had been arrested okay by the

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police for running a narcotics

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laboratory

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now that was patent pure crap

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although Lazar had been recently

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arrested in charge not for running a

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narcotics laboratory but for something

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and which I'll explain but the bottom

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line was Lazar had been and is I mean

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the guy whatever about his background is

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true or not the guy was an electronics

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genius and in Clark County Nevada which

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Las Vegas is situated within Clark

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County prostitution is illegal

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although throughout most of the rest of

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the state of Nevada prostitution is

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legal and Lazar had known a woman that

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ran a brothel in Las Vegas and she had

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asked him to come over and set up a

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computer system for her and security

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cameras for her bordello now in Las

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Vegas like I said prostitution is

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illegal although I think we all realize

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that as a normal run of events

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prostitution as is overlooked by most of

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the law-enforcement authorities I mean

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after all it's a it's a vacation town

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it's a gambling town it's a drinking

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town of course you're going to have

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prostitution

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so how was our ended up being arrested

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when Knapp had run his original series

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of reports which disclosed Bob Lazar and

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area 51 to the world okay they garnered

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his television station garnered

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unbelievably huge ratings as a matter of

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fact the television station was

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receiving inquiries literally from all

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around the globe about this Lazar story

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now in Las Vegas they play hardball

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and some of the other media companies

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and TV stations in Vegas were really

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upset over the huge ratings that Channel

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8 had received for these George Knapp

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reports so they hired private detectives

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to follow George Knapp around and Bob

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Lazar Lazar was seen going into this

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bordello Knapp became privy to the

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information and he knew that the

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competing TV stations were going to do a

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special report on Bob Lazar seen

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entering a house of prostitution

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I don't know how Knapp found out I guess

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he's pretty well plugged in and he

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convinced Lazar to preempt this by

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coming on his show and basically

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announcing what he had done well that

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was an election year okay

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district attorneys were running for the

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position and we all know how politicians

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can get really really wonky during a an

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election year and here was a guy coming

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on television on George Knapp's program

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announcing it set up a security system

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for a house of prostitution in the city

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of Las Vegas

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well they immediately arrested Lazar and

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charged him with pandering in other

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words earning a living off of a house of

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ill-repute which is not what he had done

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but you know hey why let a few facts get

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into the way of a good story so Cooper

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took that information and twisted it for

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his own purposes because the other thing

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that bob lazar dead in his off hours he

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ran a speed

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laughs and what I mean by a speed lab he

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was a jet car aficionado and he had

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built himself using a jet engine a car

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capable of going over 200 miles an hour

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propelled by a jet engine he called that

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his speed lab matter of fact I had

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photographs of his car when I ran my my

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stories in UFO magazine so I saw all

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this I was privy to the inside

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information

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I saw what Cooper was doing which was

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basically attempting to to destroy these

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guys by smearing their reputations so I

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began my investigative piece on Bill

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Cooper which ended up becoming known as

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the whistle blower series several years

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ago one day I received a an email from a

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guy I I did not know and I read the

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email he described himself as a writer

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and a journalist and his name is marked

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Jacobsen and Jacobson lives back in

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Brooklyn New York he writes for New York

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magazine he's done a lot of writing back

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there he's a well-regarded journalist

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and he said he wanted to he was working

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on a project and he wanted to pick my

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brains about the early days of the UFO

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field and primarily involving people

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like John Lear Bob Lazar and Bill Cooper

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and a couple of other people to Lars

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Hanson which also figured into this

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story because of the JFK assassination

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angle I mean guys this is an incredibly

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complex story it sounds like a

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smorgasbord of conspiracy theories all

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packed into one and before we go on and

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on

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talking about Bill Cooper and lots of

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other wacky characters Jay Randall

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Murphy is our guest co-host on gene

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there's some evidence against president

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Trump's optimistic assessment of US

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relations with North Korea after his

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recent summit with Kim jong-un in

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Singapore the North is now accusing the

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u.s. of what it calls gangster-like

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demands on its nuclear program the

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comments came after high-level talks

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between North Korean officials and

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Secretary of State Mike Pompeo an

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unnamed foreign ministry spokesman

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what makes it so great and so surprising

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we have Don Ecker we have Jay Randall

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Murphy and we're talking about the

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smorgasbord of conspiracy theories let

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us continue Donna yeah so here we we had

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a situation that had so many facets to

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it there was so much going on then not

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only with the situation involving bill

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Cooper John Lear George Knapp and others

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but there was another complex conspiracy

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situation that normally one would not

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think would enter into UFOs but it

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involved the November 1963 assassination

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of President John Kennedy now I got to

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stop for a second and I gotta go back a

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little bit before much of this other

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business began to happen and basically

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unravel Lars Hanson was a guy who for

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years had been kind of on the outlier

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area as working as a writer and a

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journalist and Hanson had always been

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fascinated by the facts

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of what had happened with the JFK the

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John F Kennedy murder in Dallas Texas

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now he had been working at the time he

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was located in California he'd been

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working with a couple of guys in

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Northern California

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and these guys had gotten their hands on

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a fourth possibly fifth generation copy

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of the Zapruder film now what they

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wanted to do was to take this to a lab

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and basically examine it frame by frame

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to see if there was anything in this

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Zapruder film that might provide some

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more evidence about what actually

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happened so what they did with this copy

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of this film they took it into the lab

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they washed all the Keller because

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originally the Zapruder film was a

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colored film okay it was not just black

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and white it was shot in as NBC used to

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say in living color so they washed the

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Keller out of the film now they were

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working with basically a black-and-white

552
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film and as they're examining this just

553
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at the almost the instant that Kennedy

554
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is shot in the head for just a brief

555
00:31:02,960 --> 00:30:56,980
flash of a second there is what looks

556
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like the driver holding a handgun

557
00:31:12,210 --> 00:31:06,990
pointed back in the rear of the car now

558
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:12,220
when Hanson saw that he started working

559
00:31:17,910 --> 00:31:16,000
on the assumption that the Secret

560
00:31:20,610 --> 00:31:17,920
Service driver there were two Secret

561
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Service agents in the car

562
00:31:26,340 --> 00:31:23,440
Roy Kellerman who was in the passenger

563
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seat and William Greer who was the

564
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driver

565
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okay and he got a copy of this and he

566
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was looking for somebody with a lot of

567
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money behind him deep pockets to launch

568
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a real first-class professional

569
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:48,900
investigation now he was down in Denver

570
00:31:56,790 --> 00:31:52,240
I'm sorry excuse me he was down in Las

571
00:32:01,110 --> 00:31:56,800
Vegas and when he was in Las Vegas he

572
00:32:05,010 --> 00:32:01,120
came across a flier that had highlighted

573
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:05,020
John Lear giving one of his UFO talks

574
00:32:14,190 --> 00:32:06,960
somewhere now at that point in time

575
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:14,200
we're talking about 89 okay 88 89 Lear

576
00:32:21,710 --> 00:32:17,650
was that one of the hottest tickets on

577
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the UFO circuit not only because of his

578
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inflammatory thesis but also because he

579
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was the son of bill Lear of Lear Sigler

580
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corporation I mean you're talking about

581
00:32:44,990 --> 00:32:39,010
a high-profile guy not only that but

582
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:45,000
Lear had been a pilot had flown for CIA

583
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:49,650
contract airlines in Southeast Asia

584
00:32:58,020 --> 00:32:53,890
during the Vietnam War and then in other

585
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areas of the world around the globe and

586
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I mean you know here was somebody that

587
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initially had a real flash of glamour

588
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:09,100
so Hanson went to see Lear not knowing

589
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at the time that bill Lear Lear's father

590
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who then was was deceased at this point

591
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had disinherited his son John okay

592
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before he died in other words he cut him

593
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out of the family fortune I'm not sure

594
00:33:33,260 --> 00:33:30,100
what the hell happened but they had some

595
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kind of a huge falling-out

596
00:33:40,370 --> 00:33:36,630
so Hanson made one of the biggest

597
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mistakes of his life he gave a copy of

598
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this tape this Dalisay was called Dallas

599
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revisited to John Lear well where

600
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immediately made a bunch of copies and

601
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started sending them around to people he

602
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knew and one of the people he gave a

603
00:34:06,260 --> 00:34:01,860
copy to was to build Cooper suddenly

604
00:34:08,810 --> 00:34:06,270
bill Cooper said oh my god where did you

605
00:34:13,130 --> 00:34:08,820
get this I've been looking for this for

606
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years and then he started to claim that

607
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he had read all about JFK's

608
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assassination in his secret Navy files

609
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:24,540
okay so he began incorporating this into

610
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his talks and showing this is one of the

611
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highlights of his talks and over the

612
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next several years people began to

613
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actually and I'm talking about all

614
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around the world not just here in the

615
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United States but all around the world

616
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:52,050
that JFK's Secret Service driver okay

617
00:35:00,380 --> 00:34:55,770
was actually the shooter that fired the

618
00:35:02,930 --> 00:35:00,390
fatal head shot into JFK now at first

619
00:35:06,260 --> 00:35:02,940
Cooper was claiming that the guy used a

620
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45 caliber automatic pistol but when it

621
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:09,210
became obvious that there was no muzzle

622
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blast and a 45 has significant muzzle

623
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blast then he he changed his story he

624
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saw some video from the Frank church

625
00:35:30,290 --> 00:35:27,780
committee earrings in the 70s done this

626
00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:30,300
before you go on I'm not a gun expert so

627
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when you say muzzle blast it sounds to

628
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me like it's in Greek I'd like to order

629
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two muscle blasts with the Euro or

630
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something can you explain to our

631
00:35:45,740 --> 00:35:42,900
listeners yeah I can I mean it's pretty

632
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self-evident when you fire

633
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:50,210
a 45 caliber pistol or any other firearm

634
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okay there's a blast of gas resulting

635
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from the propellant the gunpowder

636
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pushing the projectile out the muzzle

637
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and this flies out the end of it and in

638
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a in a weapon as powerful especially at

639
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close range as a 45 caliber automatic

640
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pistol it has significant blast coming

641
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:21,240
out of the muzzle when it's fired we've

642
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got more to come on the para cast

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we've got Don Ecker explaining all sorts

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of interesting things about William

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Cooper and all these wacky conspiracy

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theories Jay Randall Murphy guest

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760
00:41:27,079 --> 00:41:24,930
you see now I'm learning more and more

761
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about guns but I tell you through my

762
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entire life which is many many thousands

763
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of decades I've only actually handled a

764
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gun once I know Don feels pity towards

765
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me right hey everybody's got to do what

766
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they got to do but as long as we have

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heroes like you who handled those

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weapons and protect us we don't worry

769
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about it go ahead please

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well Cooper then changed his story

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because he had seen a clip from the

772
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Frank church CIA hearings where the CIA

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at one point had developed a air pistol

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a pneumatic air gun that would fire a

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pellet virtually soundlessly filled with

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toxins or poison which would

777
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incapacitate and then kill the intended

778
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target so he changed his story from this

779
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45 that the driver had - an air gun and

780
00:42:41,470 --> 00:42:37,589
it was all once again patently crap what

781
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actually did everybody see well back in

782
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1963 men for the most part all around

783
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the country used in their hair that

784
00:42:56,089 --> 00:42:52,440
greasy kid steps

785
00:43:00,019 --> 00:42:56,099
it's like Brylcreem okay - slicked down

786
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:00,029
their hair when Lars Hanson and his two

787
00:43:06,950 --> 00:43:02,880
other buddies had washed the Keller out

788
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:06,960
of this poor multi-generational copy of

789
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the Zapruder film that flash for just an

790
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instant that looked like a gun was

791
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actually a reflection off of Roy

792
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Kellerman the other Secret Service

793
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agents had excuse me he used that greasy

794
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kid stuff so this was literally to fill

795
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the airwaves the TV way

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all around the country all the tabloid

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shows of the day at one point or another

798
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mentioned this now while all this was

799
00:43:51,570 --> 00:43:46,990
happening handsome was going ballistic

800
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over what Lear did he had specified to

801
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Lear that this is not for general

802
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dissemination this is strictly for your

803
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eyes only layer basically betrayed that

804
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trust especially when he gave it to a

805
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charlatan and a fraud master like Cooper

806
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who immediately incorporated it into his

807
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dog and pony show

808
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so I'm contacted by this writer back in

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New York and we set a date where we had

810
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a telephone chat about three hours I

811
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basically gave him a thumbnail sketch of

812
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everything that was happening at that

813
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time we're talking about circa 1988 1989

814
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and 1990 just for a second here we've

815
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kind of jumped from Lazar and nap to

816
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Hanson and Lear and Cooper and so I'm

817
00:44:47,340 --> 00:44:45,370
kind of wondering is there any

818
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connection here still between Lazar and

819
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nap or just its help keep our listeners

820
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focused on the train of events here is

821
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Lazar and Knapp long gone and over with

822
00:44:58,110 --> 00:44:57,880
and now we're simply known - no they're

823
00:45:00,720 --> 00:44:58,120
not

824
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:00,730
okay so we've we're gonna bring this

825
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:02,290
around and connect that back up with

826
00:45:07,170 --> 00:45:04,450
lazar and Knapp at some point I'm

827
00:45:09,620 --> 00:45:07,180
assuming well you'd be assuming right

828
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:09,630
Randall all right cool let's carry on

829
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:16,090
thank you so what we now had okay was

830
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:20,890
this morass that literally was tearing

831
00:45:30,170 --> 00:45:25,050
the UFO field apart as I told this to

832
00:45:34,700 --> 00:45:30,180
Marc Jacobson the writer I sent him back

833
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:34,710
copies of a lot of my research on this

834
00:45:41,190 --> 00:45:37,810
you see Randall part of what we're

835
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:41,200
talking about is concerned with the

836
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:43,490
notice that I put up on the dark

837
00:45:51,070 --> 00:45:46,610
matters radio site on the parrot cast

838
00:45:55,990 --> 00:45:51,080
this up-and-coming book now I realize

839
00:46:00,670 --> 00:45:56,000
that this is a long convoluted and

840
00:46:04,450 --> 00:46:00,680
complex story but basically what we were

841
00:46:10,780 --> 00:46:04,460
getting to was the facts of this book

842
00:46:17,470 --> 00:46:10,790
and I had also provided to mr. Jacobson

843
00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:17,480
a copy of my two-hour expose show that I

844
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:20,960
had put together on Bill Cooper and by

845
00:46:28,359 --> 00:46:24,410
the way that show is available in the

846
00:46:30,430 --> 00:46:28,369
dark matters radio site on the para cast

847
00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:30,440
I don't know if you've ever heard it or

848
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:33,440
not but oh yeah a good show I've

849
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:34,850
listened to quite a few episodes

850
00:46:41,370 --> 00:46:36,800
fabulous resource for the ethology

851
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:41,380
community so this was was something that

852
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:45,680
Jacobson incorporated a great deal of my

853
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:48,650
research into his book now basically a

854
00:46:56,620 --> 00:46:52,570
lot of people who are not familiar today

855
00:47:00,940 --> 00:46:56,630
with that Cooper he was shot and killed

856
00:47:05,740 --> 00:47:00,950
by police he was involved in a gunfight

857
00:47:09,730 --> 00:47:05,750
with police attempting to serve a felony

858
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:09,740
warrant on him for threatening someone

859
00:47:17,340 --> 00:47:13,130
with a with a handgun guy was basically

860
00:47:20,380 --> 00:47:17,350
a medical doctor who had inadvertently

861
00:47:24,370 --> 00:47:20,390
somehow entered Cooper's property turned

862
00:47:27,700 --> 00:47:24,380
around and left and Cooper chased him

863
00:47:30,970 --> 00:47:27,710
down forced him off the road and pulled

864
00:47:34,570 --> 00:47:30,980
him from his car at gunpoint I'm sure

865
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:34,580
that poor guy was terrified Cooper then

866
00:47:45,810 --> 00:47:39,410
was was also wanted by federal

867
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:45,820
authorities for tax resistance and bank

868
00:47:54,730 --> 00:47:50,450
fraud I mean like I said complex story

869
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:54,740
this guy had basically he ended up

870
00:47:59,480 --> 00:47:56,400
burning

871
00:48:03,730 --> 00:47:59,490
all his bridges in the UFO community now

872
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:03,740
George Knapp was one of the people that

873
00:48:11,090 --> 00:48:08,000
put a light on this guy showing that his

874
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:11,100
prevarications his lying deceit is

875
00:48:18,310 --> 00:48:14,850
outright plagiarism and a number of

876
00:48:23,900 --> 00:48:18,320
other things one of the things that

877
00:48:30,710 --> 00:48:23,910
Cooper had done was to go after Robert

878
00:48:32,990 --> 00:48:30,720
Lazar the alleged area 51 scientist who

879
00:48:38,530 --> 00:48:33,000
claimed he had worked on recovered alien

880
00:48:42,260 --> 00:48:38,540
technology now like I said I had been I

881
00:48:50,060 --> 00:48:42,270
had been on the scene with most of this

882
00:48:57,980 --> 00:48:50,070
now back in in 1988 and then 1989 there

883
00:49:02,270 --> 00:48:57,990
were then no art bells there were no Don

884
00:49:07,700 --> 00:49:02,280
eckers because I began broadcasting my

885
00:49:10,780 --> 00:49:07,710
first radio show in 1991 it had been

886
00:49:14,300 --> 00:49:10,790
years hence since there were other

887
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:14,310
broadcasters like Long John Neville and

888
00:49:23,090 --> 00:49:19,050
later his wife Andy Jones there

889
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:23,100
basically was was nobody out there there

890
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:26,880
was no internet per se where people

891
00:49:34,490 --> 00:49:31,440
could go to look this information up but

892
00:49:38,300 --> 00:49:34,500
there was a guy in Las Vegas by the name

893
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:38,310
of Billy Goodman who had what ended up

894
00:49:44,650 --> 00:49:42,240
being a wildly popular radio program

895
00:49:47,930 --> 00:49:44,660
called the Billy Goodman happening until

896
00:49:50,810 --> 00:49:47,940
the radio station for unknown reasons I

897
00:49:54,740 --> 00:49:50,820
don't know why canceled the show and

898
00:49:58,910 --> 00:49:54,750
fired Goodman but for a while he had a

899
00:50:04,370 --> 00:49:58,920
hot hot radio program and it was hot it

900
00:50:07,310 --> 00:50:04,380
took off when shortly after Bob Lazar

901
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:07,320
came onto the scene through George Knapp

902
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:09,770
and Goodman's

903
00:50:19,780 --> 00:50:14,810
cured him on his radio show and good

904
00:50:22,420 --> 00:50:19,790
heaven the the intense curiosity and it

905
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:22,430
was a big signal at certain times of the

906
00:50:27,460 --> 00:50:24,650
night you could you could hear his show

907
00:50:32,260 --> 00:50:27,470
literally all over the western United

908
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:32,270
States now during this early time one of

909
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:35,810
Goodman scholars called in was Bill

910
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:41,090
Cooper bill Cooper came on this show and

911
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:46,160
gave Lazar a glowing testimonial about

912
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:49,370
how he bill Cooper that personally

913
00:50:55,300 --> 00:50:52,160
checked out Bob Lazar through his

914
00:50:57,070 --> 00:50:55,310
contacts and the guy was the real thing

915
00:50:59,260 --> 00:50:57,080
you know what we have some more real

916
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things to talk about in our next segment

917
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and before we split let me remind you to

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923
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idea what's going on here anyone it

924
00:51:22,990 --> 00:51:22,070
happens I won't be heard so who cares

925
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anyway

926
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[Music]

927
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936
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[Applause]

978
00:54:03,760 --> 00:53:59,420
welcome back to the para cast the gold

979
00:54:12,859 --> 00:54:03,770
standard of paranormal radio and now

980
00:54:15,650 --> 00:54:12,869
here's Jane Steinberg ah what a story

981
00:54:19,069 --> 00:54:15,660
you know this story can take us through

982
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:19,079
ten shows and maybe not cover even the

983
00:54:23,089 --> 00:54:21,690
essence of it on Necker what a

984
00:54:24,859 --> 00:54:23,099
fascinating thing I want to ask you

985
00:54:28,250 --> 00:54:24,869
about one other topic when we finish

986
00:54:30,380 --> 00:54:28,260
this way well I kind of didn't kind of

987
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:30,390
had it in the back burner at the time I

988
00:54:36,769 --> 00:54:33,170
was not immersed in every little tiny

989
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:36,779
detail okay well we've got this book

990
00:54:40,849 --> 00:54:38,640
right

991
00:54:43,039 --> 00:54:40,859
it's called pale horse rider William

992
00:54:47,269 --> 00:54:43,049
Cooper the rise of conspiracy in the

993
00:54:51,470 --> 00:54:47,279
fall of trust in America and from what I

994
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:51,480
can tell here the title was inspired by

995
00:54:57,769 --> 00:54:53,970
a book that Cooper had published called

996
00:55:00,440 --> 00:54:57,779
behold a pale horse in 1991 are you

997
00:55:04,910 --> 00:55:00,450
gonna get to that there darling I don't

998
00:55:08,029 --> 00:55:04,920
want to steal your thunder here yeah so

999
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:08,039
when all this was when all this was

1000
00:55:18,349 --> 00:55:11,970
coming down when Cooper suddenly

1001
00:55:22,430 --> 00:55:18,359
launched his attacks on Lazar on John

1002
00:55:26,559 --> 00:55:22,440
Lear on George Knapp as I had mentioned

1003
00:55:33,650 --> 00:55:26,569
earlier and I have to really stress this

1004
00:55:38,289 --> 00:55:33,660
he Cooper had been up front of the point

1005
00:55:43,700 --> 00:55:38,299
of belligerence telling anybody and

1006
00:55:50,029 --> 00:55:43,710
everybody that if you ever try to hurt

1007
00:55:55,789 --> 00:55:50,039
me I'm gonna hurt you first and then he

1008
00:55:59,000 --> 00:55:55,799
decided he was going to write a book the

1009
00:56:04,700 --> 00:55:59,010
book ended up becoming behold a pale

1010
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:04,710
horse in the book Cooper and if you find

1011
00:56:10,910 --> 00:56:08,250
a copy of the book today

1012
00:56:17,090 --> 00:56:10,920
you'll find Cooper in the book talking

1013
00:56:21,740 --> 00:56:17,100
about the alien conspiracy well in 1990

1014
00:56:24,740 --> 00:56:21,750
I did part one of my two-part expose on

1015
00:56:28,180 --> 00:56:24,750
Cooper I had been watching him had been

1016
00:56:31,930 --> 00:56:28,190
following him had watched the people

1017
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:31,940
that he had ripped off had plagiarized

1018
00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:36,810
and a lot of people in the UFO field

1019
00:56:43,700 --> 00:56:41,040
then and some very prominent people that

1020
00:56:48,350 --> 00:56:43,710
were on the periphery of the field one

1021
00:56:52,370 --> 00:56:48,360
of them being Colonel Bo grapes who was

1022
00:56:56,990 --> 00:56:52,380
a very well known name then Lars Hanson

1023
00:57:02,120 --> 00:56:57,000
and his driver Theory noog writes quite

1024
00:57:04,580 --> 00:57:02,130
well Hanson had helped grapes in writing

1025
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:04,590
several books that Bogue writes wrote

1026
00:57:12,050 --> 00:57:08,610
you know it had come out against Cooper

1027
00:57:16,790 --> 00:57:12,060
now suddenly Cooper was getting it from

1028
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:16,800
all sides and he abruptly disassociated

1029
00:57:20,500 --> 00:57:19,890
himself from the overall UFO just

1030
00:57:27,010 --> 00:57:20,510
stalled

1031
00:57:30,590 --> 00:57:27,020
he answered then the Patriot militia

1032
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:30,600
movement and he was basically a militia

1033
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:34,410
of one he wasn't really involved with

1034
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:38,610
any particular group and he began a

1035
00:57:47,150 --> 00:57:42,930
shortwave radio program on shortwave

1036
00:57:50,810 --> 00:57:47,160
called the hour of the time that ran for

1037
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:50,820
several years before I guess for

1038
00:57:55,790 --> 00:57:52,290
whatever reason he could no longer

1039
00:58:00,170 --> 00:57:55,800
afford to to pay that was a

1040
00:58:03,290 --> 00:58:00,180
pay-as-you-go thing but his show by all

1041
00:58:07,460 --> 00:58:03,300
accounts was very popular then his book

1042
00:58:11,210 --> 00:58:07,470
was published now it took a little while

1043
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:11,220
for the book to catch on but

1044
00:58:19,390 --> 00:58:14,850
surprisingly one of the places that it

1045
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:19,400
caught on was in the American prison

1046
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:21,250
systems

1047
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:26,970
his book behold a pale horse is the most

1048
00:58:34,110 --> 00:58:30,690
popular book in American prisons

1049
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:34,120
whoa-whoa-whoa-whoa-whoa you know not

1050
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:39,370
the Johnny Cash's music no no no no no

1051
00:58:48,620 --> 00:58:43,200
Bill Cooper's book because it basically

1052
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:48,630
claims that there is this overarching

1053
00:58:56,910 --> 00:58:52,450
conspiracy coming down from Big Brother

1054
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:56,920
and the feds to ultimately all right and

1055
00:59:04,110 --> 00:58:59,760
this is what Cooper was preaching to

1056
00:59:06,330 --> 00:59:04,120
ultimately enslave us all do away with

1057
00:59:08,910 --> 00:59:06,340
the First Amendment to the Constitution

1058
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:08,920
of the United States freedom of speech

1059
00:59:15,300 --> 00:59:13,090
do away with the Second Amendment to the

1060
00:59:18,690 --> 00:59:15,310
Constitution of the United States the

1061
00:59:22,310 --> 00:59:18,700
right to keep and bear arms by the

1062
00:59:25,740 --> 00:59:22,320
civilian public Cooper was claiming that

1063
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:25,750
they were ultimately geared toward doing

1064
00:59:33,390 --> 00:59:29,170
this now back in the early days at the

1065
00:59:37,050 --> 00:59:33,400
behest of the gray aliens but now Cooper

1066
00:59:40,970 --> 00:59:37,060
was claiming that there are no gray

1067
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:40,980
aliens it was all US government

1068
00:59:48,990 --> 00:59:45,130
conspiracy to make people think there

1069
00:59:53,310 --> 00:59:49,000
were gray aliens out there and perhaps

1070
00:59:55,860 --> 00:59:53,320
at one point or another the government

1071
01:00:00,600 --> 00:59:55,870
or forces within the government would

1072
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:00,610
stage a fake alien invasion I mean you

1073
01:00:06,180 --> 01:00:02,650
know we're talking some really was whose

1074
01:00:08,730 --> 01:00:06,190
stuff here guys yeah I remember when

1075
01:00:10,170 --> 01:00:08,740
these stories were coming out listening

1076
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:10,180
to the tidbits here and there on the

1077
01:00:15,090 --> 01:00:12,970
radio and it was fairly interesting and

1078
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:15,100
it did create quite a controversy in the

1079
01:00:20,130 --> 01:00:18,490
ethology community so it's really

1080
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:20,140
interesting to see after all this time

1081
01:00:25,130 --> 01:00:22,930
how it's all played at I mean that he

1082
01:00:27,690 --> 01:00:25,140
was like you say he was talking about

1083
01:00:31,050 --> 01:00:27,700
JFK was assassinated because he was

1084
01:00:33,150 --> 01:00:31,060
going to reveal that there was an alien

1085
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:33,160
presence and that he was actually killed

1086
01:00:37,950 --> 01:00:35,290
by his driver who

1087
01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:37,960
as an alien and then you're saying he

1088
01:00:44,100 --> 01:00:42,000
later changed that to the whole UFO

1089
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:44,110
conspiracy was created by the government

1090
01:00:50,700 --> 01:00:47,530
itself in order to take away people's

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rights and freedoms so really

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interesting where do we go for done this

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you know this guy I I knew I had to get

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real deep down I had a gut feeling that

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ultimately this would not turn out well

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now one thing I didn't really go into

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because I don't know how even how

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relevant it is but when when I ran my

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expose days on Cooper

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he began attacking us not only me my

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wife the magazine I had mentioned Billy

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Goodman a Billy Goodman radio show out

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of Vegas that Cooper became Goodman's

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his show

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Billy's ratings would go up people were

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curious they wanted to hear what this

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guy had to say so after he was fired

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right before he had been fired Cooper

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had been on Goodman's show one night and

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he began attacking myself in UFO

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magazine and I got word of it so that's

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gonna Majan how that rant yeah I got

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word of it and and I had called Goodman

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up and I demanded to be brought on his

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show and in confront Cooper and he told

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me he would do it and that's the week

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that Goodman got fired now

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a short time later not real long Goodman

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began broadcasting on a network out of

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Utah

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why did Goodman get fired well as I said

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at the beginning of the show I don't

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know okay

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I found it like it might have been

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connected with asking you don't you

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really don't have to have a good reason

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they look at you and say you're fired

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job in radio Piedmont Alabama WP ID this

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is back in the sixties and the people

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around the town said WP ID meant well

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Piedmont is dead no insults of people in

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then halfway between Atlanta or no

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halfway between Birmingham and Atlanta

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don't ask me in fact we tried to do the

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walk towards Atlanta one time but just

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go to the Georgia border it's a long

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story

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anyway new manager takes over the

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station same ownership and one day comes

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in this is probably around the Christmas

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holidays which is when people get fired

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Annie hands me a check and says Jean my

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god let you go why anything I did no

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turns out he wanted to bring in his

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nephew yeah that that's about the way it

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goes so so anyway

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Goodman begins his show on this network

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out of Utah basically same story

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different day ok one of his big big

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drawers was bill Cooper so one night I

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am

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sitting at home about 9:30 10 o'clock

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somewhere around there I think and my

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phone rings now as a rule any time you

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get a phone call after at least nine

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o'clock it's never good news right I

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answered the phone and it was a guy I

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knew

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and he said Don are you listening to

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Billy Goodman no I'm watching TV

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thinking about maybe going to bed oh

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geez Don Bill Cooper is on Goodman's

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show and he's really tearing you up well

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this was after part one of my expose on

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Cooper came out part two was in the

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wings was coming out and Cooper true to

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his word was trying to destroy me

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so I said thanks hung up turned on the

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radio found Goodman station and Cooper

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is on there so I had his his number to

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call in and I did and I got his producer

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on the line and I told him I said I

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think his producers name was Roger and I

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said Roger this is Don Ecker of UFO

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magazine

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I've been defamed on this show tonight

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okay so if you would you get a hold of

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Billy and you tell him these are his

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choices he can bring me on right now or

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tomorrow my attorneys will be in touch

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with Billy and the station so he put me

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on hold

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he got ahold of Billy told him I was on

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the telephone and came back and he said

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okay he said you'll be brought on right

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after this next break

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so then Billy started beating the drums

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here was his dream okay this ultimate

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showdown between bill Cooper and

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da nakka right here on Billy Goodman's

1308
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happening you know it went from bad to

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worse then but I got a chance to really

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tear into him as a matter of fact some

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of that I included in my my to our radio

1312
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expose of Cooper but this was a very

1313
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very very dicey time there were many

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things happening in the field at that

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point the abduction phenomenon really

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was taking off many more people were

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coming out claiming alien abductions the

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first hints of the missing fetus

1319
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syndrome were beginning to make the

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airwaves in other words that women

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claiming to be in the early stages of

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pregnancy were being abducted and the

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fetuses were being removed I mean this

1324
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:41,969
is all old stuff now but back then this

1325
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was really big nose today in in many

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respects I would have to say today's

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ufology is a pale imitation of what had

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been happening back then I don't know

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how you guys feel about it but we had so

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many well-known researchers then doing

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some really good work and much of that

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has fallen by the wayside do you have a

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recording of your confrontation with

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Cooper on that radio show or do you know

1335
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yes find it yes you can find it in the

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dark matters radio page on the para cast

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so this is actually on this other

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persons show not your show that you

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managed to get a recording of that and

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put it on your site for us to be able to

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access what I did was you see this

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two-hour show that I put together this

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expose it's on YouTube it's it's also

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there at the para cast and in my DMR

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page

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I took Cooper from his own words with

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him speaking them I give an overview of

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everything that was happening during

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this period of time including excerpts

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from this Goodman show it's all there Oh

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fabulous

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okay I have to check that out so carry

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on you were talking about the early days

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of the abduction phenomena yeah these

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were all the things at that time that

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were coming to the forefront now I began

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broadcasting my original show UFOs

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tonight on the cable radio network CRN

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from 91 through 96 and during that

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period of time

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I even had bill Cooper call my show in

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an attempt to embarrass me using a fake

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voice I mean this guy this guy was

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insidious except I recognized who it was

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and I embarrassed him on the air you

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know this was worse than a Howard

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Stern's stunt then yeah yeah exactly

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yeah well Papa Bowie I don't mind

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because he's fundamentally a nice guy

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that just having fun yeah well this this

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guy was vicious vindictive

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George Knapp described described him

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best in in my opinion he was like a

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cornered rat vicious vile and biting I

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mean there's no other way to put it and

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that that came from from George so but

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this all culminated when he had his hour

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of the time shortwave broadcast and he

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ended up losing that because he couldn't

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afford it

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and then he kind of drifted out of the

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public site but during this period of

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time like I had mentioned the feds had

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tax resistance and for a bank fraud

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that's that's a great point to break and

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bated breath Don Ecker please proceed so

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when he lost his his radio gig okay he

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was living in Edgar Arizona now while he

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was out here still in California this

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was a part of the story I really didn't

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get into but back before he blew up

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01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:34,040
publicly he had been approached by a

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01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:37,130
couple of guys from the entertainment

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01:21:43,750 --> 01:21:39,770
industry one of them a very well-known

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01:21:47,410 --> 01:21:43,760
actor by the name of Doug Dean if he

1505
01:21:52,260 --> 01:21:47,420
ever saw the Ballad of cat blue which

1506
01:21:55,330 --> 01:21:52,270
was a 60s Western with with Jane Fonda

1507
01:21:58,050 --> 01:21:55,340
Michael Callen was one of the stars in

1508
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that film and Callens

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best buddy an old old-time studio

1510
01:22:11,740 --> 01:22:07,960
executive by the name of Dean now they

1511
01:22:16,260 --> 01:22:11,750
contacted me after their association

1512
01:22:19,330 --> 01:22:16,270
with with Cooper and itself combusted

1513
01:22:22,810 --> 01:22:19,340
basically these two guys had wanted to

1514
01:22:25,780 --> 01:22:22,820
package Cooper in the show business

1515
01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:25,790
manner and basically take them on the

1516
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:29,330
road Cooper had signed a contract with

1517
01:22:36,250 --> 01:22:32,090
them so he would go out to these places

1518
01:22:39,310 --> 01:22:36,260
where he was giving his presentations he

1519
01:22:43,959 --> 01:22:39,320
was being videotaped all this show

1520
01:22:47,109 --> 01:22:43,969
business stuff Cooper's business partner

1521
01:22:51,300 --> 01:22:47,119
on his side of the equation was a guy by

1522
01:22:56,850 --> 01:22:51,310
the name of Stan Barrington now

1523
01:23:00,180 --> 01:22:56,860
Barrington was selling videotapes of

1524
01:23:04,119 --> 01:23:00,190
Cooper and his presentations and

1525
01:23:06,790 --> 01:23:04,129
Barrington was supposed to be an

1526
01:23:08,619 --> 01:23:06,800
seeing all the monies that were being

1527
01:23:12,399 --> 01:23:08,629
brought in from the sale of these tapes

1528
01:23:18,219 --> 01:23:12,409
but Cooper along with his other faults

1529
01:23:22,659 --> 01:23:18,229
is nastiness his aggressiveness his

1530
01:23:26,830 --> 01:23:22,669
alcoholism he had the greed the almighty

1531
01:23:30,219 --> 01:23:26,840
buck and they were not disclosing all

1532
01:23:34,899 --> 01:23:30,229
the proceeds to their partners Michael

1533
01:23:38,969 --> 01:23:34,909
Kallen and Doug Dean then Cooper tried

1534
01:23:42,339 --> 01:23:38,979
to break his contract he demanded that

1535
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:42,349
Callan and Dean hand over the master

1536
01:23:49,659 --> 01:23:47,090
tapes that they had on Cooper's

1537
01:23:53,489 --> 01:23:49,669
presentations as they videotape and they

1538
01:23:57,279 --> 01:23:53,499
refused and this incidentally several of

1539
01:24:01,750 --> 01:23:57,289
these phone calls are also included in

1540
01:24:06,569 --> 01:24:01,760
my two hours show one night both Carolyn

1541
01:24:11,139 --> 01:24:06,579
and Dean received a a total each of them

1542
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:11,149
five telephone calls from bill Cooper

1543
01:24:19,659 --> 01:24:15,050
and in each call you can hear Cooper

1544
01:24:21,899 --> 01:24:19,669
becoming more and more intoxicated to

1545
01:24:26,020 --> 01:24:21,909
the point where he was literally

1546
01:24:30,699 --> 01:24:26,030
threatening their lives now Dean Doug

1547
01:24:34,060 --> 01:24:30,709
Dean at that time was almost seventy

1548
01:24:36,009 --> 01:24:34,070
years of age okay he was not married he

1549
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:36,019
was living by himself he was down in

1550
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Arizona he became concerned for his

1551
01:24:44,919 --> 01:24:43,039
safety so he called up a friend and

1552
01:24:47,369 --> 01:24:44,929
asked if he could come over and spend

1553
01:24:50,169 --> 01:24:47,379
the night and incidentally both he and

1554
01:24:54,099 --> 01:24:50,179
Kalyn reported these calls immediately

1555
01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:54,109
to the police the next morning early

1556
01:24:59,649 --> 01:24:57,050
Doug Dean's gardener was at his house

1557
01:25:03,939 --> 01:24:59,659
working around the house when Bill

1558
01:25:07,449 --> 01:25:03,949
Cooper pulled in Cooper attempted to

1559
01:25:09,939 --> 01:25:07,459
break into Dean's house and then he

1560
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:09,949
noticed the gardener well he disappeared

1561
01:25:15,059 --> 01:25:12,530
for a few minutes then he left

1562
01:25:18,119 --> 01:25:15,069
now the gardener told Dean all of this

1563
01:25:22,339 --> 01:25:18,129
Dean came home later that day and when

1564
01:25:26,399 --> 01:25:22,349
he did all the tires on his second

1565
01:25:28,559 --> 01:25:26,409
automobile had been slashed so I mean

1566
01:25:34,609 --> 01:25:28,569
that's the kind of guy you were talking

1567
01:25:37,859 --> 01:25:34,619
about now this was probably circa 1991

1568
01:25:41,219 --> 01:25:37,869
so now we're getting toward the end of

1569
01:25:44,639 --> 01:25:41,229
the decade Cooper had been married to a

1570
01:25:48,659 --> 01:25:44,649
woman a Chinese national and they had a

1571
01:25:50,609 --> 01:25:48,669
little girl now I had some buddies in in

1572
01:25:54,359 --> 01:25:50,619
Southern California here that were

1573
01:25:56,869 --> 01:25:54,369
police officers and when I was talking

1574
01:26:01,139 --> 01:25:56,879
to them about this I discovered that

1575
01:26:03,809 --> 01:26:01,149
there had been multiple calls to the

1576
01:26:06,750 --> 01:26:03,819
Long Beach Police Department about

1577
01:26:09,299 --> 01:26:06,760
domestic disturbances at William

1578
01:26:13,020 --> 01:26:09,309
Cooper's house where he would be

1579
01:26:16,489 --> 01:26:13,030
drinking would become intoxicated and

1580
01:26:20,099 --> 01:26:16,499
then would get abusive toward his wife

1581
01:26:23,969 --> 01:26:20,109
she finally had enough packed up took

1582
01:26:27,199 --> 01:26:23,979
the little girl and left the country so

1583
01:26:30,509 --> 01:26:27,209
now Cooper moved to Edgar Arizona and

1584
01:26:34,829 --> 01:26:30,519
you can imagine the mental state he was

1585
01:26:39,599 --> 01:26:34,839
in at this time well in November of 2001

1586
01:26:44,279 --> 01:26:39,609
just a very short time after the 9/11

1587
01:26:48,569 --> 01:26:44,289
attacks he's down there paranoid

1588
01:26:52,529 --> 01:26:48,579
I'm sure delusional probably intoxicated

1589
01:26:55,349 --> 01:26:52,539
much at the time somebody entered his

1590
01:26:58,619 --> 01:26:55,359
property turned around and left he

1591
01:27:01,189 --> 01:26:58,629
immediately went running outside jumped

1592
01:27:03,559 --> 01:27:01,199
into his vehicle chased this guy down

1593
01:27:08,609 --> 01:27:03,569
pulled him out of his car at gunpoint

1594
01:27:11,009 --> 01:27:08,619
this guy was a medical doctor and the

1595
01:27:12,239 --> 01:27:11,019
guy was was terrified as soon as he

1596
01:27:16,770 --> 01:27:12,249
could he got away

1597
01:27:20,129 --> 01:27:16,780
he immediately notified the the sheriff

1598
01:27:22,199 --> 01:27:20,139
and they decided they knew who this guy

1599
01:27:26,310 --> 01:27:22,209
was I mean they were aware of the

1600
01:27:29,220 --> 01:27:26,320
federal warrants the feds I think

1601
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:29,230
were afraid to go out and serve those

1602
01:27:36,480 --> 01:27:32,530
warrants because remember something else

1603
01:27:39,480 --> 01:27:36,490
said it recently happened okay which

1604
01:27:42,810 --> 01:27:39,490
cast a really sour light on federal law

1605
01:27:45,750 --> 01:27:42,820
enforcement the Waco Branch Davidian

1606
01:27:49,860 --> 01:27:45,760
compound slaughter were over a hundred

1607
01:27:51,270 --> 01:27:49,870
people died they were probably afraid of

1608
01:27:55,140 --> 01:27:51,280
a repeat of that

1609
01:27:57,090 --> 01:27:55,150
so the Sheriff's Department decided to

1610
01:28:01,080 --> 01:27:57,100
have a couple of their deputies in plain

1611
01:28:02,910 --> 01:28:01,090
clothes go out there come on to Cooper's

1612
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:02,920
property like they were a couple of

1613
01:28:08,730 --> 01:28:06,330
teenagers and have him exit the house

1614
01:28:13,950 --> 01:28:08,740
where they could serve the warrant

1615
01:28:16,950 --> 01:28:13,960
well they did and he did and when they

1616
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:16,960
tried to arrest him he broke back for

1617
01:28:21,240 --> 01:28:20,050
his house a cop was up on his porch

1618
01:28:24,390 --> 01:28:21,250
jumped out

1619
01:28:27,450 --> 01:28:24,400
Cooper fired his gun struck this

1620
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policeman in the head and the other

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deputies immediately returned fire and

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that was the end bill Cooper all right

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so this sounds like a movie where's the

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screenplay well I'm sure if we wait long

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enough somebody will probably write one

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well maybe we'll inspire somebody here

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what do we learn from William Cooper or

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is it just some crazy guy who got in

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over his head and just kind of went so

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far off the edge that he suffered the

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final defeat you know I'm not sure

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anything I say other than my direct

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knowledge of things of certain aspects

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would be speculation I think that back

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in the late 1980s when he first surfaced

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on the original perronnette I think the

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guy originally came on was trying to

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remember we were talking about the very

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early days of computers

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and commuting come you know talking to

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people on the computer you know instant

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messaging and and things like that this

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was all brand new and people when they

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especially if other people acknowledge

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I think Cooper originally did this as a

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lark this is my speculation and then

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somewhere in his mind he thought you

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know I bet I could be a star hey before

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kind of a sad episode cuz it ended up in

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a way that was very unfortunate I mean

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we've had lots of wacky people get

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involved well look you gotta realize

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that what I what I've told you here

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today is is not even scratching the

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surface there was so much more to this

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it was you know it was unbelievable but

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this is a good place now it's gonna be

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very interesting to see the results of

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what Jacobson's book is going to be he

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had told me he was going to have his

1791
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publisher he used he used a ton from

1792
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what he what he said days ago to me when

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I talked to him on the phone he said he

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used a ton of my information

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he was just giddy at that to our radio

1796
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show I sent him a copy of because you

1797
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know this here's a guy that's basically

1798
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been been now dead for almost 17 years

1799
01:37:03,970 --> 01:37:01,310
and here's Cooper in his own voice okay

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doing a lot of this you know stuff I

1801
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mean it's one thing to have me sit here

1802
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and tell you what what happened and it's

1803
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another to be actually able to hear what

1804
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happened so you know from the guys own

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mouth so he's going to have his

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publisher send me the galleys and I'm

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gonna be able to take a look at it and

1808
01:37:33,450 --> 01:37:29,480
then we'll see where it goes from there

1809
01:37:37,590 --> 01:37:33,460
but you know anytime you're dealing with

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basically what I call the straight media

1811
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:43,100
okay which traditionally has always been

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more than rough on anybody investigating

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01:37:51,370 --> 01:37:48,680
the UFO phenomenon

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I mean Jean you've been around a long

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time you know how most mainstream media

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traditionally has treated this subject

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in my early years done I was a member of

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the mainstream media while still

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covering UFOs so I understand but I work

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in smaller towns or suburban communities

1821
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:11,240
with radio stations and the difference

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01:38:18,340 --> 01:38:14,810
is in those cases we covered it straight

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01:38:19,150 --> 01:38:18,350
they didn't ask me to slant a UFO story

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one way or the other

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in fact I would ask I say do you have

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any concern about me covering this UFO

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01:38:29,170 --> 01:38:26,720
episode listen no absolutely not

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go ahead do what you have to do and that

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01:38:33,970 --> 01:38:31,250
was it but when you get into the larger

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media they're looking sometimes for

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01:38:39,490 --> 01:38:35,570
entertainment they're looking for

1832
01:38:42,670 --> 01:38:39,500
ratings and therefore things change also

1833
01:38:46,420 --> 01:38:42,680
I did a lot of this work before Roone

1834
01:38:48,790 --> 01:38:46,430
Arledge at ABC added the news division

1835
01:38:51,460 --> 01:38:48,800
to his stewardship of the sports

1836
01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:51,470
division and ABC they realized that news

1837
01:38:57,280 --> 01:38:54,530
could be a profit center and when I was

1838
01:38:58,660 --> 01:38:57,290
doing this it wasn't a profit Center was

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01:39:01,750 --> 01:38:58,670
a public service so that made a very

1840
01:39:07,990 --> 01:39:01,760
very big difference go ahead please well

1841
01:39:11,590 --> 01:39:08,000
that's why today I do my best to totally

1842
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:11,600
disassociate myself from any news I

1843
01:39:18,900 --> 01:39:13,370
don't believe

1844
01:39:23,140 --> 01:39:18,910
any of it okay it's all geared toward

1845
01:39:25,810 --> 01:39:23,150
infotainment all right info tainment it

1846
01:39:28,840 --> 01:39:25,820
you very very seldom do you get the

1847
01:39:32,530 --> 01:39:28,850
straight news it's not like Huntley and

1848
01:39:37,330 --> 01:39:32,540
Brinkley and Walter Cronkite and Edward

1849
01:39:40,180 --> 01:39:37,340
J Merrill those guys today are legendary

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01:39:43,890 --> 01:39:40,190
for a reason you know if you heard

1851
01:39:47,650 --> 01:39:43,900
Huntley and Brinkley or Walter Cronkite

1852
01:39:49,630 --> 01:39:47,660
give you a story in the 60s well you

1853
01:39:54,850 --> 01:39:49,640
could pretty much take it to the bank

1854
01:39:58,900 --> 01:39:54,860
and news departments then had reporters

1855
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spanning the globe it spanned the globe

1856
01:40:05,380 --> 01:40:02,630
they expected to lose money the

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corporation's because like you said they

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they were not then in the business of

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making a profit when they went to the

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profit making center of things that's

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01:40:22,810 --> 01:40:18,320
when that's when the public began to

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01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:22,820
suffer okay let's get back to the UFOs

1863
01:40:28,510 --> 01:40:26,090
and JFK for a second here I don't think

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01:40:31,120 --> 01:40:28,520
the idea that JFK was assassinated over

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01:40:34,450 --> 01:40:31,130
the UFO cover was necessarily unique to

1866
01:40:36,580 --> 01:40:34,460
Cooper either of you guys remember if

1867
01:40:38,800 --> 01:40:36,590
someone else had come up with it before

1868
01:40:40,810 --> 01:40:38,810
Cooper and that this was just something

1869
01:40:43,470 --> 01:40:40,820
he was promoting or do you think he came

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01:40:46,270 --> 01:40:43,480
up with it himself I mean back around

1871
01:40:48,760 --> 01:40:46,280
1990 I wrote a song for my alternative

1872
01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:48,770
rock band called who really killed John

1873
01:40:51,730 --> 01:40:50,690
Kennedy which asked the question of

1874
01:40:54,400 --> 01:40:51,740
whether or not it was a conspiracy

1875
01:40:56,320 --> 01:40:54,410
designed to maintain the lid on the UFO

1876
01:41:00,370 --> 01:40:56,330
cover-up that came up with that myself

1877
01:41:02,200 --> 01:41:00,380
so maybe there was this sort of idea in

1878
01:41:12,370 --> 01:41:02,210
the air that people were just picking up

1879
01:41:18,070 --> 01:41:12,380
on comments well I don't recall if there

1880
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:18,080
was a lot of chatter about JFK the one

1881
01:41:24,700 --> 01:41:20,810
thing I heard about JFK one of the

1882
01:41:25,939 --> 01:41:24,710
reasons he was going to he could not

1883
01:41:29,089 --> 01:41:25,949
steam

1884
01:41:34,490 --> 01:41:29,099
was because he was going to do something

1885
01:41:38,149 --> 01:41:34,500
with the the Fed okay the economy he was

1886
01:41:44,200 --> 01:41:38,159
going to I forget now exactly what what

1887
01:41:49,160 --> 01:41:44,210
the theory was but the other thing that

1888
01:41:52,430 --> 01:41:49,170
probably contributed to Kennedy being

1889
01:41:56,629 --> 01:41:52,440
murdered was the Central Intelligence

1890
01:42:01,550 --> 01:41:56,639
Agency Allen Dulles then was the guy

1891
01:42:05,540 --> 01:42:01,560
running the CIA and Kennedy was heard to

1892
01:42:08,890 --> 01:42:05,550
have said he was going to smash these

1893
01:42:13,220 --> 01:42:08,900
guys into a thousand pieces

1894
01:42:16,250 --> 01:42:13,230
remember what President Dwight

1895
01:42:19,459 --> 01:42:16,260
Eisenhower had said as he was leaving

1896
01:42:22,250 --> 01:42:19,469
office and I'm paraphrasing now but

1897
01:42:24,709 --> 01:42:22,260
beware the industry the

1898
01:42:28,280 --> 01:42:24,719
military-industrial complex

1899
01:42:28,760 --> 01:42:28,290
in other words back then over 60 years

1900
01:42:31,339 --> 01:42:28,770
ago

1901
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:31,349
Eisenhower's saw how the

1902
01:42:38,720 --> 01:42:35,610
military-industrial complex was becoming

1903
01:42:40,550 --> 01:42:38,730
the octopus that had their tentacles

1904
01:42:44,540 --> 01:42:40,560
into everything you know it's kind of

1905
01:42:49,280 --> 01:42:44,550
like Lockheed back then when they were

1906
01:42:54,620 --> 01:42:49,290
coming out with all this ultra tech high

1907
01:42:59,300 --> 01:42:54,630
budget black programs the the u-2 spy

1908
01:43:03,709 --> 01:42:59,310
plane the sr-71 all this other stuff do

1909
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:03,719
you have any conception the billions of

1910
01:43:12,160 --> 01:43:07,770
dollars that these programs were sucking

1911
01:43:14,839 --> 01:43:12,170
up then and are sucking up now it's it's

1912
01:43:18,290 --> 01:43:14,849
unbelievable the money and money means

1913
01:43:22,550 --> 01:43:18,300
what power whoever whoever has their

1914
01:43:25,129 --> 01:43:22,560
hands on on the mouth the power and the

1915
01:43:28,250 --> 01:43:25,139
money believe me they'll do what needs

1916
01:43:30,800 --> 01:43:28,260
to be done to ensure that nobody

1917
01:43:32,419 --> 01:43:30,810
interferes with the status quo and part

1918
01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:32,429
of the problem also is that there's no

1919
01:43:38,330 --> 01:43:36,090
real concern about cost overruns I mean

1920
01:43:39,380 --> 01:43:38,340
if you're in a small company and someone

1921
01:43:43,490 --> 01:43:39,390
comes over

1922
01:43:46,550 --> 01:43:43,500
and they bid on a remodeling of your

1923
01:43:49,940 --> 01:43:46,560
restaurant okay and they say okay it's

1924
01:43:53,420 --> 01:43:49,950
gonna cost you $12,000 and you expect to

1925
01:43:54,830 --> 01:43:53,430
pay $12,000 and if they have anything

1926
01:43:57,050 --> 01:43:54,840
extra you know you're going to have to

1927
01:43:59,090 --> 01:43:57,060
approve a change and you're gonna be

1928
01:44:01,070 --> 01:43:59,100
pretty angry if they say no it's 15 no

1929
01:44:04,040 --> 01:44:01,080
you agree 12 you sign the contract

1930
01:44:07,850 --> 01:44:04,050
in the military industrial complex if

1931
01:44:08,510 --> 01:44:07,860
there's a cost overrun a 50% nobody

1932
01:44:12,440 --> 01:44:08,520
cares

1933
01:44:14,780 --> 01:44:12,450
oh you can't build that plane for 170

1934
01:44:17,840 --> 01:44:14,790
million it's 350 million or something or

1935
01:44:19,270 --> 01:44:17,850
400 million all right cost of doing

1936
01:44:23,810 --> 01:44:19,280
business

1937
01:44:26,980 --> 01:44:23,820
yeah and if you come in to rattle the

1938
01:44:30,140 --> 01:44:26,990
cage about that kind of stuff

1939
01:44:33,350 --> 01:44:30,150
golly who knows you may be walking down

1940
01:44:36,020 --> 01:44:33,360
the street one day and a safe falls out

1941
01:44:39,110 --> 01:44:36,030
of the sky right on top of your head or

1942
01:44:40,280 --> 01:44:39,120
you're driving down the freeway going 75

1943
01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:40,290
miles an hour

1944
01:44:47,660 --> 01:44:43,530
oh my the brakes failed you know I mean

1945
01:44:51,410 --> 01:44:47,670
these things actually happen I think the

1946
01:44:54,040 --> 01:44:51,420
military industrial complex that was the

1947
01:44:57,500 --> 01:44:54,050
angle that the Oliver Stone film took

1948
01:44:59,590 --> 01:44:57,510
huge money involved in all of that we

1949
01:45:02,420 --> 01:44:59,600
also have to look at the Vietnam War and

1950
01:45:04,730 --> 01:45:02,430
how that was inspired by the military

1951
01:45:06,860 --> 01:45:04,740
industrial complex gulf of tonkin for

1952
01:45:08,180 --> 01:45:06,870
example we got a lot more to come but

1953
01:45:10,720 --> 01:45:08,190
not about the military industrial

1954
01:45:13,880 --> 01:45:10,730
complex unless it relates to UFOs

1955
01:45:21,460 --> 01:45:13,890
Donecker J Randall Murphy I'm Jean

1956
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[Music]

1957
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thank you for listening to GCS

1958
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we also have swag you know we have all

1959
01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:42,770
these exclusive para cast things that

1960
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you can buy

1961
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we've got like I guess 60 or so

1962
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different items and entails t-shirts

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sleeves for notebook computers iPad

1964
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cases mouse pads the para cast jumbo

1965
01:45:59,439 --> 01:45:57,560
tote bag all sorts of t-shirts and

1966
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jackets and stuff like that for men and

1967
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women we have a para cast aluminum water

1968
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bottle all the stuff you go to store . ^

1969
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cast comm store dot the para cast comm

1970
01:46:14,260 --> 01:46:11,989
what makes special is that the items are

1971
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the best quality of great t-shirts

1972
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fabrics and they have our official logo

1973
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on them that's what makes them special

1974
01:46:23,500 --> 01:46:20,900
in multiple sizes and colors we even

1975
01:46:25,810 --> 01:46:23,510
have stuff for children stuff for

1976
01:46:28,630 --> 01:46:25,820
women's stuff for men we have all sorts

1977
01:46:30,790 --> 01:46:28,640
of sizes like small up 2x large a lot of

1978
01:46:34,600 --> 01:46:30,800
good stuff that's the swag from the para

1979
01:46:39,100 --> 01:46:34,610
cast you go to store DA ^ cast com stop

1980
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by and take a shopping tour policies

1981
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1982
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insurance company Houston Texas not

1983
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available in all states for details

1984
01:46:47,260 --> 01:46:45,140
visit AIG direct com do you have a

1985
01:46:49,000 --> 01:46:47,270
family would you like to help make sure

1986
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they'll be taken care of if anything

1987
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were to happen to you if you answered

1988
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yes you probably need life insurance now

1989
01:46:59,260 --> 01:46:56,630
do you think life insurance is expensive

1990
01:47:01,750 --> 01:46:59,270
if you answered yes to that - you

1991
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definitely need to give AIG direct a

1992
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call we could find you a quarter of a

1993
01:47:07,720 --> 01:47:06,110
million dollar policy for just $14 a

1994
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hundreds of dollars a year

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quote one eight hundred nine one zero

1998
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five nine three six since 1995 we've

1999
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helped millions of people find out if

2000
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they could save up to 70% on their term

2001
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2003
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2004
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could save up to 70% that's one eight

2007
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hundred nine one zero five nine three

2008
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six one eight hundred nine one zero five

2009
01:47:53,420 --> 01:47:49,110
welcome back into the para cast the gold

2010
01:48:02,910 --> 01:47:53,430
standard of paranormal radio and now

2011
01:48:04,920 --> 01:48:02,920
here's Jane Steinberg so briefly because

2012
01:48:08,510 --> 01:48:04,930
this is certainly something under your a

2013
01:48:10,350 --> 01:48:08,520
lead on Necker would you say that the

2014
01:48:12,810 --> 01:48:10,360
reality of the military-industrial

2015
01:48:16,710 --> 01:48:12,820
complex came to the fore during the

2016
01:48:18,780 --> 01:48:16,720
Vietnam War oh no no it was there long

2017
01:48:21,510 --> 01:48:18,790
before that well that was a blatant

2018
01:48:25,620 --> 01:48:21,520
example certainly when the Manhattan

2019
01:48:29,970 --> 01:48:25,630
Project got rolling the development of

2020
01:48:33,300 --> 01:48:29,980
nuclear weapons the atomic bomb you

2021
01:48:35,160 --> 01:48:33,310
don't get much more big than than what

2022
01:48:38,160 --> 01:48:35,170
was happening during the Second World

2023
01:48:43,170 --> 01:48:38,170
War when they were working on that in

2024
01:48:47,340 --> 01:48:43,180
complete total secrecy well except for

2025
01:48:49,890 --> 01:48:47,350
Joe Stalin and the commie Russians they

2026
01:48:53,460 --> 01:48:49,900
know about it how did they know about it

2027
01:48:55,920 --> 01:48:53,470
well they they had infiltrated you know

2028
01:48:59,610 --> 01:48:55,930
Soviet spies throughout the entire

2029
01:49:04,110 --> 01:48:59,620
American infrastructure they know about

2030
01:49:08,780 --> 01:49:04,120
it but yeah the this a bomb thing when

2031
01:49:13,380 --> 01:49:08,790
it finally blossomed in July of 45

2032
01:49:16,950 --> 01:49:13,390
President Roosevelt had died in April I

2033
01:49:20,220 --> 01:49:16,960
think it was April and Harry Truman took

2034
01:49:24,660 --> 01:49:20,230
over Harry Truman who had been the vice

2035
01:49:28,380 --> 01:49:24,670
president now was the president Harry

2036
01:49:31,320 --> 01:49:28,390
Truman didn't know about the a-bomb

2037
01:49:34,640 --> 01:49:31,330
project he had to be read into it I mean

2038
01:49:38,730 --> 01:49:34,650
we're talking secrecy we're talking

2039
01:49:42,510 --> 01:49:38,740
billions of dollars we're talking about

2040
01:49:46,800 --> 01:49:42,520
some of the most draconian okay security

2041
01:49:50,190 --> 01:49:46,810
you can imagine that's when I think the

2042
01:49:53,210 --> 01:49:50,200
military-industrial complex really got

2043
01:49:55,439 --> 01:49:53,220
rolling and then at the end of the war

2044
01:50:01,259 --> 01:49:55,449
okay we finally defeat

2045
01:50:04,770 --> 01:50:01,269
Germany we defeated Imperial Japan the

2046
01:50:07,680 --> 01:50:04,780
new boogeyman on the horizon were the

2047
01:50:10,049 --> 01:50:07,690
Communists the Russians historical

2048
01:50:13,859 --> 01:50:10,059
events played out that proved that that

2049
01:50:18,330 --> 01:50:13,869
was true and correct they were a

2050
01:50:22,799 --> 01:50:18,340
gigantic threat we started bringing in a

2051
01:50:26,009 --> 01:50:22,809
lot of left over Nazis okay from from

2052
01:50:28,669 --> 01:50:26,019
the German Reich rocket scientists

2053
01:50:33,270 --> 01:50:28,679
scientists that had been working on

2054
01:50:36,660 --> 01:50:33,280
mind-control programs and that became

2055
01:50:40,279 --> 01:50:36,670
the new shiny toy for the people back in

2056
01:50:46,469 --> 01:50:40,289
DC to play with and we got programs like

2057
01:50:49,709 --> 01:50:46,479
MKULTRA MK artichoke Niomi a whole slew

2058
01:50:54,419 --> 01:50:49,719
I don't know how you guys feel about

2059
01:50:58,939 --> 01:50:54,429
this I was terrified by the thought of

2060
01:51:03,600 --> 01:50:58,949
this and what what did a lot of this

2061
01:51:09,359 --> 01:51:03,610
flow into questions about are there

2062
01:51:12,299 --> 01:51:09,369
really Manchurian candidates can a human

2063
01:51:16,770 --> 01:51:12,309
being you know I had at one point I had

2064
01:51:22,469 --> 01:51:16,780
mentioned long John Neville and his wife

2065
01:51:26,819 --> 01:51:22,479
candy Jones now candy Jones was in the

2066
01:51:30,629 --> 01:51:26,829
40s an absolutely breathtakingly

2067
01:51:33,810 --> 01:51:30,639
beautiful woman had been a model I don't

2068
01:51:37,469 --> 01:51:33,820
know where Neville had encountered her

2069
01:51:41,779 --> 01:51:37,479
maybe gene does but how he lucked out

2070
01:51:45,979 --> 01:51:41,789
and got this gal she was gorgeous and

2071
01:51:50,899 --> 01:51:45,989
then some weird things began to happen

2072
01:51:54,779 --> 01:51:50,909
with her Neville and her explored that

2073
01:51:58,399 --> 01:51:54,789
she ended up agreeing to go under

2074
01:52:03,750 --> 01:51:58,409
hypnosis to find out what the underlying

2075
01:52:05,729 --> 01:52:03,760
problems were and it came out now

2076
01:52:09,240 --> 01:52:05,739
whether this actually happened or not

2077
01:52:11,790 --> 01:52:09,250
I don't know okay to me there's still a

2078
01:52:14,730 --> 01:52:11,800
a lot of questions about it there was a

2079
01:52:17,940 --> 01:52:14,740
book written about this case called the

2080
01:52:19,830 --> 01:52:17,950
control of candy Jones I don't know if

2081
01:52:23,010 --> 01:52:19,840
it can still be found or not

2082
01:52:25,950 --> 01:52:23,020
it was written in 1976 the author was

2083
01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:25,960
Donald Bain and it appears to still be

2084
01:52:31,530 --> 01:52:29,290
available on Amazon okay all right I'm

2085
01:52:34,290 --> 01:52:31,540
looking up right now you can tell us

2086
01:52:36,300 --> 01:52:34,300
more about it but I'm almost thinking

2087
01:52:37,710 --> 01:52:36,310
here that there's a slight resemblance

2088
01:52:40,020 --> 01:52:37,720
to that other book

2089
01:52:43,040 --> 01:52:40,030
I'm Chuck Barris confessions of a

2090
01:52:47,220 --> 01:52:43,050
dangerous mind oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah

2091
01:52:52,950 --> 01:52:47,230
so it came out that the allegation was

2092
01:52:56,610 --> 01:52:52,960
that somehow the spokes at CIA got their

2093
01:53:00,870 --> 01:52:56,620
hands on this beautiful woman basically

2094
01:53:05,640 --> 01:53:00,880
mind controlled and conditioned her to

2095
01:53:09,510 --> 01:53:05,650
be a courier while she was under mind

2096
01:53:14,160 --> 01:53:09,520
control and perhaps they even it's

2097
01:53:17,670 --> 01:53:14,170
alleged used her as an assassin now it's

2098
01:53:22,500 --> 01:53:17,680
funny this past week I was going back

2099
01:53:26,940 --> 01:53:22,510
through some of my old radio shows I had

2100
01:53:30,720 --> 01:53:26,950
a guy on one well actually I did several

2101
01:53:33,210 --> 01:53:30,730
shows with him he was kind of infamous

2102
01:53:38,190 --> 01:53:33,220
back in the days we were just talking

2103
01:53:40,890 --> 01:53:38,200
about the late 80s early 90s his name

2104
01:53:43,800 --> 01:53:40,900
that he was going by at the time was

2105
01:53:49,820 --> 01:53:43,810
Michael younger all right

2106
01:53:52,620 --> 01:53:49,830
younger was somehow plugged into

2107
01:53:56,610 --> 01:53:52,630
intelligence I mean I know this for a

2108
01:53:59,760 --> 01:53:56,620
fact because of some of the stuff that

2109
01:54:02,550 --> 01:53:59,770
he came out with and he was privy to

2110
01:54:06,630 --> 01:54:02,560
long before it ever became public

2111
01:54:08,760 --> 01:54:06,640
knowledge now on this one show we were

2112
01:54:12,450 --> 01:54:08,770
talking about the Robert was our story

2113
01:54:15,240 --> 01:54:12,460
now back in the very early days of the

2114
01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:15,250
Bob Lazar story he was over John Lear's

2115
01:54:21,540 --> 01:54:19,050
one day and Lear of course was

2116
01:54:23,430 --> 01:54:21,550
fascinated by what was really happening

2117
01:54:29,250 --> 01:54:23,440
out at this place

2118
01:54:32,700 --> 01:54:29,260
area 51 there had been stories for oh my

2119
01:54:36,060 --> 01:54:32,710
god for years about what really went on

2120
01:54:38,970 --> 01:54:36,070
out there and Lazar told Lear he said

2121
01:54:43,050 --> 01:54:38,980
you know it's funny he said I remember

2122
01:54:47,940 --> 01:54:43,060
getting to work I remember leaving work

2123
01:54:48,810 --> 01:54:47,950
and everything in between is a total

2124
01:54:53,250 --> 01:54:48,820
blank job

2125
01:54:55,890 --> 01:54:53,260
well then Lazar said well you know when

2126
01:54:59,190 --> 01:54:55,900
I was out there he said they gave me

2127
01:55:02,460 --> 01:54:59,200
something to drink it was kind of piney

2128
01:55:07,200 --> 01:55:02,470
like almost like it smelled almost like

2129
01:55:09,540 --> 01:55:07,210
pine-sol well as it turned out gene dad

2130
01:55:14,370 --> 01:55:09,550
was one of the things that came out in

2131
01:55:18,420 --> 01:55:14,380
the early days about candy Jones she

2132
01:55:22,170 --> 01:55:18,430
referred to that smell and that odor in

2133
01:55:24,870 --> 01:55:22,180
one of her sessions now that immediately

2134
01:55:27,240 --> 01:55:24,880
caused my mind to click let me interject

2135
01:55:29,160 --> 01:55:27,250
one thing here before you go on because

2136
01:55:32,130 --> 01:55:29,170
there's gonna be the comment was this

2137
01:55:34,170 --> 01:55:32,140
anything real years ago and Jim Mosley

2138
01:55:36,330 --> 01:55:34,180
was a close friend of candy Jones

2139
01:55:38,880 --> 01:55:36,340
evidently he go on the show after Long

2140
01:55:40,680 --> 01:55:38,890
John died and he maybe drive her home or

2141
01:55:43,440 --> 01:55:40,690
something like that mostly to be a cab

2142
01:55:45,240 --> 01:55:43,450
or something like that and the producer

2143
01:55:46,950 --> 01:55:45,250
of the Long John Neville Show and candy

2144
01:55:49,830 --> 01:55:46,960
Jones show was a fellow named sandy

2145
01:55:51,960 --> 01:55:49,840
teller and one time Jim asked sandy tell

2146
01:55:54,690 --> 01:55:51,970
her what's the deal about this control

2147
01:55:56,970 --> 01:55:54,700
of candy Jones is this anything real and

2148
01:55:59,550 --> 01:55:56,980
he got the impression from sandy teller

2149
01:56:01,590 --> 01:55:59,560
who gave him winks and nods that mm

2150
01:56:04,380 --> 01:56:01,600
maybe they made some of it or all of it

2151
01:56:09,810 --> 01:56:04,390
up just as a point of reference well I

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gotta say I wouldn't be overly surprised

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by that but yeah you know it's like

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everything else if you're affiliated

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with with this field in any manner

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whatsoever the ultimate thing is

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basically hey we're never truly gonna

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know because there's one thing about

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UFOs and other paranormal subjects and

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you can take this to the bank

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and you can tell the bank that I told

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you to say so the frogs the charlatans

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that Joker's the hoaxsters they're

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everywhere okay they're there they're

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just there and you can unless you've

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actually experienced it yourself or you

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you are with somebody you implicitly

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trust you're never gonna know in our

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next segment there's a question from one

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of our members of the audience that may

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be vaguely relevant to possible

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government control and Randall will ask

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you that question our next segment we're

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having a whale of a time here not

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talking about whales but talking about

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UFOs conspiracies and a whole lot more

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with Don Ecker J Randall Murphy I'm gene

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that question I sure do around one of

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our forum participants that goes by then

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initials TDS are and he says the

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government is in control of this

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narrative and now has all of the

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UFOs being real or not simply put can we

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ever know the truth being so far down

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the river at this point in your opinion

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02:02:38,819 --> 02:02:36,130
what would the truth even look like who

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would it come from how could they be

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seen as credible if I received a

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pronouncement from the United States

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government that Donecker

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here are the facts the Sun rises in the

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East in the morning and at nighttime

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that big shiny light in the sky is the

2302
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moon well guys I'm gonna go outside and

2303
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look ok that that's the bottom line on

2304
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that I'm gonna go outside and look now

2305
02:03:11,669 --> 02:03:09,010
what what am i what am I talking about

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well I'm talking about in all my years

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02:03:18,890 --> 02:03:14,650
of dealing with you know this my

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background in in law enforcement my

2309
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service in Southeast Asia in the war III

2310
02:03:32,939 --> 02:03:29,349
become quite a cynic and years ago and

2311
02:03:35,970 --> 02:03:32,949
gene will tell you I was coined the

2312
02:03:38,879 --> 02:03:35,980
curmudgeon of ufology these days Ray be

2313
02:03:41,430 --> 02:03:38,889
used to be I think Jim Mosley and maybe

2314
02:03:44,490 --> 02:03:41,440
a couple of other people but somehow

2315
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today I've inherited that mantle when by

2316
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golly I've earned it and yet wear it

2317
02:03:52,770 --> 02:03:50,079
proudly cynicism is a life skill

2318
02:03:53,549 --> 02:03:52,780
especially in this particular subject

2319
02:03:55,680 --> 02:03:53,559
for sure

2320
02:03:58,200 --> 02:03:55,690
well what about in the early days though

2321
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done when people didn't really ridicule

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it at first it was just a really

2323
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interesting subject and then the United

2324
02:04:06,209 --> 02:04:04,389
States Air Force got into it and so now

2325
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we can go back and we can look at a lot

2326
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of the Declassified Blue Book files and

2327
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it looks to me like they're the real

2328
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thing it doesn't look like they created

2329
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them to try to fool us it seemed to me

2330
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that there was a real investigation that

2331
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they took seriously and that at least

2332
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some of the people in the Air Force

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really took the phenomena seriously they

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believed that their fighter pilots were

2335
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chasing real objects real craft yes they

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did and once again Randall you've got to

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be very familiar with the history now

2338
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gene knew to some extent

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Donald Kehoe Donald Kehoe was the

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director of nightcap the National

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Investigative Committee on aerial

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phenomena and when that organization was

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begun there were some very high-level

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guys involved in night camp including

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Roscoe Hill encouter

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Roscoe Hill encounter who was a

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classmate of Kehoe Kehoe had been a

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graduate from the Naval Academy at

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Annapolis had entered the United States

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Marine Corps had been one of the early

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early Marine Corps aviators he was a

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pilot until he was involved in an air

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crash and subsequently medically retired

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now

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he'll encounter if there was anyone that

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would have been privy to stuff you and I

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could only dream about it would have

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been Helen Cotter and others on the

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night cap board and Kehoe had never made

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it secret that although it was a

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different age he was a polite man

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actually too polite in some cases for my

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taste he would would not go necessarily

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toe-to-toe with these guys feeding him a

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line of crap

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the way I would have okay but be that as

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it may Kehoe knew that these guys were

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hiding stuff okay a lot of stuff now you

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02:06:23,690 --> 02:06:20,550
say that you know in the early days

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people were not ridiculed well the the

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actual phenomenon became widely known in

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02:06:33,320 --> 02:06:30,240
47 that was the time of the Kenneth

2373
02:06:35,240 --> 02:06:33,330
Arnold sighting above Mount Ranier that

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was in the same time frame as the

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incident at Roswell whatever that

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incident was and a number of other

2377
02:06:47,990 --> 02:06:43,680
things and yeah people were curious the

2378
02:06:52,340 --> 02:06:48,000
Air Force was dithering the air Materiel

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02:06:55,250 --> 02:06:52,350
Command came out with a document that

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02:06:58,670 --> 02:06:55,260
was ordered to be destroyed because

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their conclusion from this early

2382
02:07:06,410 --> 02:07:02,400
document was that UFOs are real they're

2383
02:07:11,390 --> 02:07:06,420
not visionary or illusionary okay

2384
02:07:14,600 --> 02:07:11,400
they're a real craft maybe maybe from

2385
02:07:15,980 --> 02:07:14,610
another planetary system right you're

2386
02:07:19,220 --> 02:07:15,990
referring to the estimate of the

2387
02:07:21,560 --> 02:07:19,230
situation and then after that then

2388
02:07:25,700 --> 02:07:21,570
things started to go downhill your force

2389
02:07:29,210 --> 02:07:25,710
put together a project that Kehoe called

2390
02:07:33,710 --> 02:07:29,220
Project publicly project saucer the

2391
02:07:37,760 --> 02:07:33,720
actual name was project sign and then

2392
02:07:40,550 --> 02:07:37,770
the Air Force ditched that program and

2393
02:07:43,430 --> 02:07:40,560
it was actually a program trying to get

2394
02:07:46,900 --> 02:07:43,440
to the bottom of it they next came up

2395
02:07:51,100 --> 02:07:46,910
with something called Project grudge

2396
02:07:54,860 --> 02:07:51,110
which says it all right there grudge and

2397
02:07:59,870 --> 02:07:54,870
then they entered blue book now after

2398
02:08:02,390 --> 02:07:59,880
blue book was put into operation okay

2399
02:08:04,160 --> 02:08:02,400
which was a public program it was headed

2400
02:08:07,250 --> 02:08:04,170
up by an Air Force Captain Edward

2401
02:08:11,750 --> 02:08:07,260
ruppelt he never had more than about

2402
02:08:15,200 --> 02:08:11,760
four or five people working form it was

2403
02:08:18,920 --> 02:08:15,210
done on less than a shoestring it was

2404
02:08:19,819 --> 02:08:18,930
there for one and one reason only it was

2405
02:08:23,959 --> 02:08:19,829
public

2406
02:08:26,839 --> 02:08:23,969
relations okay they weren't serious

2407
02:08:28,790 --> 02:08:26,849
about finding out in the public menu

2408
02:08:31,370 --> 02:08:28,800
what was going on behind the scenes

2409
02:08:34,549 --> 02:08:31,380
might have been another thing entirely

2410
02:08:38,689 --> 02:08:34,559
but publicly and if you go back and you

2411
02:08:42,589 --> 02:08:38,699
look at many of those reports and the

2412
02:08:45,890 --> 02:08:42,599
Air Force explanation of what those

2413
02:08:49,100 --> 02:08:45,900
reports actually were you'll find out

2414
02:08:50,930 --> 02:08:49,110
that the viewers even though the

2415
02:08:54,319 --> 02:08:50,940
observers would say well you know this

2416
02:08:56,689 --> 02:08:54,329
light came down and my god it was just

2417
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above those trees over there and it let

2418
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the whole ground up what the guy

2419
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actually saw was the planet Venus

2420
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according to the Air Force even though

2421
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the planet Venus might have been on the

2422
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other side of the planet at the time

2423
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they would come out with any and every

2424
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explanation to explain this away now

2425
02:09:22,939 --> 02:09:19,349
this was in the aftermath of the

2426
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Robertson panel in January of 53 this

2427
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was a program put together by the

2428
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Central Intelligence Agency some of the

2429
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top scientific talent in the country and

2430
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senior military officers they got

2431
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together to discuss UFOs but not what

2432
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are UFOs or why where do these things

2433
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come from no they're only raised on D

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etre for being there was simply how do

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we get rid of this from the public venue

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that was the big dividing line and where

2437
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it became taboo to talk about it on

2438
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route belt rights that he took great

2439
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exception because they even suggested

2440
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Force pilots that didn't sit well with

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people who were in the Air Force who

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were pilots new pilots and it

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interviewed them we've got more to come

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with Don and Sheen and Randle you're in

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intended to build upon the agreements

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made by president Trumbull and chairman

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Kim and we made progress

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2482
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in North Korea with top officials of

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media slammed the meeting calling the

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talks regrettable and saying American

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officials came with a gangster-like

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the boys because of dropping oxygen

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root pelt wasn't too happy about that

2559
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and it wasn't long after that that he

2560
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was out of the project and it isn't

2561
02:15:00,810 --> 02:14:57,150
clear whether he was transferred or just

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just requested to be reassigned out of

2563
02:15:06,299 --> 02:15:02,980
disgust for the whole thing well

2564
02:15:10,740 --> 02:15:06,309
originally he had worked pretty close

2565
02:15:15,959 --> 02:15:10,750
with Donald Kehoe and nightcap he was

2566
02:15:19,020 --> 02:15:15,969
seen as very friendly toward the UFO

2567
02:15:21,450 --> 02:15:19,030
topic in other words he wanted to to be

2568
02:15:26,030 --> 02:15:21,460
open and upfront about what it was but

2569
02:15:29,040 --> 02:15:26,040
the man died very at a very young age

2570
02:15:32,879 --> 02:15:29,050
and I'm going from memory now but I

2571
02:15:39,270 --> 02:15:32,889
believe he was only in his late 40s when

2572
02:15:41,640 --> 02:15:39,280
he passed on 48 maybe 49 and it was a

2573
02:15:44,339 --> 02:15:41,650
sudden thing might have been a heart

2574
02:15:47,209 --> 02:15:44,349
attack I believe I think so back in I

2575
02:15:51,149 --> 02:15:47,219
think he died in 1960 No

2576
02:15:55,350 --> 02:15:51,159
1922 is when he's born yeah he died he

2577
02:15:58,740 --> 02:15:55,360
died it was in the 50s it was around 56

2578
02:16:03,149 --> 02:15:58,750
or 57 if I remember correctly officially

2579
02:16:05,310 --> 02:16:03,159
a wikipedia it's September 15th 1960 and

2580
02:16:08,460 --> 02:16:05,320
he was 37 was

2581
02:16:10,620 --> 02:16:08,470
was about the same age as Bobby Darin

2582
02:16:14,780 --> 02:16:10,630
when he died and both had heart

2583
02:16:18,960 --> 02:16:14,790
conditions right that's in Wikipedia yes

2584
02:16:21,030 --> 02:16:18,970
and it's listed in different places I'll

2585
02:16:23,310 --> 02:16:21,040
kind of assume it's genuine because

2586
02:16:26,130 --> 02:16:23,320
remember he came out with a special or

2587
02:16:28,980 --> 02:16:26,140
updated edition of the report on

2588
02:16:32,730 --> 02:16:28,990
unidentified flying out totally he

2589
02:16:36,210 --> 02:16:32,740
totally somebody got to him and he he

2590
02:16:39,510 --> 02:16:36,220
totally refuted the entire UFO thing

2591
02:16:41,070 --> 02:16:39,520
okay I came out surely before he died

2592
02:16:44,000 --> 02:16:41,080
and of course Keo wanted to be

2593
02:16:48,180 --> 02:16:44,010
conspiratorial without it and implied

2594
02:16:50,490 --> 02:16:48,190
that maybe he was under this pressure

2595
02:16:52,020 --> 02:16:50,500
and he wasn't super healthy and that's

2596
02:16:55,380 --> 02:16:52,030
what happened I'm looking by the way at

2597
02:16:59,580 --> 02:16:55,390
Bobby Darin and he did die at 37 years

2598
02:17:02,370 --> 02:16:59,590
of age I was pretty sure that rappelled

2599
02:17:04,560 --> 02:17:02,380
was in his 40s but okay all right 37

2600
02:17:08,070 --> 02:17:04,570
that's not very old no that's even worse

2601
02:17:09,840 --> 02:17:08,080
now with Bobby Darin he had this heart

2602
02:17:13,350 --> 02:17:09,850
condition a congenital heart condition

2603
02:17:15,000 --> 02:17:13,360
from his birth with repeal I have no

2604
02:17:17,940 --> 02:17:15,010
idea I would not say it was the pressure

2605
02:17:19,650 --> 02:17:17,950
of writing that second version of the

2606
02:17:22,470 --> 02:17:19,660
book with three extra chapters that

2607
02:17:24,090 --> 02:17:22,480
refuted the other chapters well if you

2608
02:17:26,041 --> 02:17:24,100
guys want to know if they were keeping

2609
02:17:27,630 --> 02:17:26,051
actually if anyone was keeping an eye on

2610
02:17:32,210 --> 02:17:27,640
repelled and Kyo

2611
02:17:36,350 --> 02:17:32,220
they were there's an actual memo where

2612
02:17:39,780 --> 02:17:36,360
from a colonel Leonard T Glasser to air

2613
02:17:42,090 --> 02:17:39,790
technical intelligence Center says some

2614
02:17:44,670 --> 02:17:42,100
of the UFO organizations such as nycap

2615
02:17:46,560 --> 02:17:44,680
well know the deficiencies in the Air

2616
02:17:48,420 --> 02:17:46,570
Force program and take advantage of

2617
02:17:50,910 --> 02:17:48,430
every opportunity to place us in a

2618
02:17:52,710 --> 02:17:50,920
defensive position in fact it is

2619
02:17:55,650 --> 02:17:52,720
understood that captain rappelled who is

2620
02:17:59,130 --> 02:17:55,660
responsible for the ATI C part of the

2621
02:18:02,610 --> 02:17:59,140
UFO program from early 1951 until 1953

2622
02:18:05,070 --> 02:18:02,620
is now affiliated with nycap in this

2623
02:18:05,791 --> 02:18:05,080
organization alone X Marine corpse major

2624
02:18:08,150 --> 02:18:05,801
Keyhoe

2625
02:18:11,660 --> 02:18:08,160
a political adventurous and captain

2626
02:18:16,000 --> 02:18:11,670
legend that's for Randall and not hopes

2627
02:18:19,089 --> 02:18:16,010
its core core ok sorry

2628
02:18:20,830 --> 02:18:19,099
a TI specialists represent a formidable

2629
02:18:22,929 --> 02:18:20,840
team so they're calling them a

2630
02:18:25,259 --> 02:18:22,939
formidable team from which plenty of

2631
02:18:27,850 --> 02:18:25,269
trouble can be expected in the future

2632
02:18:30,610 --> 02:18:27,860
both appear to be in the business for

2633
02:18:32,740 --> 02:18:30,620
the money involved comparable conditions

2634
02:18:34,780 --> 02:18:32,750
involving eminent authorities of

2635
02:18:39,580 --> 02:18:34,790
questionable intentions exist in other

2636
02:18:40,810 --> 02:18:39,590
of the 49 UFO organizations so they knew

2637
02:18:43,660 --> 02:18:40,820
the organization's and they were

2638
02:18:45,310 --> 02:18:43,670
watching the people in it it doesn't

2639
02:18:47,410 --> 02:18:45,320
take much imagination to think that if

2640
02:18:49,209 --> 02:18:47,420
the USAF Colonel thinks someone with

2641
02:18:51,129 --> 02:18:49,219
questionable intentions could cause

2642
02:18:54,100 --> 02:18:51,139
plenty of trouble that they might want

2643
02:18:56,049 --> 02:18:54,110
something done about it well like I said

2644
02:19:00,219 --> 02:18:56,059
it was a different time and you're

2645
02:19:02,879 --> 02:19:00,229
correct so where does that leave us once

2646
02:19:07,929 --> 02:19:02,889
again another one of those little

2647
02:19:10,509 --> 02:19:07,939
mysteries that make you go hmm let me

2648
02:19:12,040 --> 02:19:10,519
give you another mystery here about the

2649
02:19:14,950 --> 02:19:12,050
founding of nightcap of course we

2650
02:19:18,490 --> 02:19:14,960
consider matric eho to be the main

2651
02:19:21,030 --> 02:19:18,500
director to real Johnson Brown right t

2652
02:19:24,280 --> 02:19:21,040
Townsend Brown was a guy involved in

2653
02:19:27,160 --> 02:19:24,290
anti-gravity research nycap was a

2654
02:19:29,500 --> 02:19:27,170
nonprofit organization and I think there

2655
02:19:31,959 --> 02:19:29,510
was a financial issue there before Keogh

2656
02:19:34,600 --> 02:19:31,969
took over involving whether or not

2657
02:19:36,520 --> 02:19:34,610
Townsend Brown was diverting money to

2658
02:19:40,169 --> 02:19:36,530
his private research which would

2659
02:19:43,000 --> 02:19:40,179
probably be a violation of the

2660
02:19:47,709 --> 02:19:43,010
regulations with regard to nonprofit

2661
02:19:50,740 --> 02:19:47,719
organizations so in the shreds of my cap

2662
02:19:53,110 --> 02:19:50,750
Keogh came in there then added all his

2663
02:19:55,000 --> 02:19:53,120
military friends and I always wonder

2664
02:19:56,469 --> 02:19:55,010
here because it seems so obvious with

2665
02:19:59,650 --> 02:19:56,479
all the military people like his

2666
02:20:04,950 --> 02:19:59,660
classmate Roscoe Henry Allen Carter

2667
02:20:09,570 --> 02:20:04,960
whether this was done deliberately to

2668
02:20:12,670 --> 02:20:09,580
advance some kind of scheme about being

2669
02:20:14,980 --> 02:20:12,680
kind of a place to cover up the UFO

2670
02:20:18,310 --> 02:20:14,990
situation or Kiowas just naive which

2671
02:20:20,679 --> 02:20:18,320
kind of is what I kind of believe here

2672
02:20:23,050 --> 02:20:20,689
because of the way he treated so many

2673
02:20:24,460 --> 02:20:23,060
things in his book you know like let's

2674
02:20:28,360 --> 02:20:24,470
get congressional hearings because

2675
02:20:30,310 --> 02:20:28,370
congressmen are too honest not to treat

2676
02:20:32,530 --> 02:20:30,320
this responsibly thing

2677
02:20:36,131 --> 02:20:32,540
like that I just think he was a military

2678
02:20:38,830 --> 02:20:36,141
guy brought up in the military that he

2679
02:20:41,230 --> 02:20:38,840
believed in a government that was

2680
02:20:44,410 --> 02:20:41,240
trustworthy and all these conspiracy

2681
02:20:47,470 --> 02:20:44,420
things were limited to him in the

2682
02:20:49,600 --> 02:20:47,480
silence group keeping the UFO secret and

2683
02:20:51,881 --> 02:20:49,610
I think that naive approach may have

2684
02:20:53,350 --> 02:20:51,891
been the reason why he populated his

2685
02:20:55,120 --> 02:20:53,360
organization with so many military

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people because those are the people he

2687
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hung out with yeah I would agree with

2688
02:21:01,541 --> 02:20:59,540
you Jean and I don't think it's as much

2689
02:21:03,551 --> 02:21:01,551
of a conspiracy that it was infiltrated

2690
02:21:08,100 --> 02:21:03,561
but he actually knew these people and

2691
02:21:18,220 --> 02:21:13,230
well it was obvious how the military

2692
02:21:21,881 --> 02:21:18,230
regarded Kehoe and it was no better

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02:21:27,341 --> 02:21:21,891
pointed out than the Armstrong Circle

2694
02:21:31,961 --> 02:21:27,351
theatre what they did to give oh and

2695
02:21:34,511 --> 02:21:31,971
then the Mike Wallace interview this is

2696
02:21:39,370 --> 02:21:34,521
another little-known thing today most

2697
02:21:41,980 --> 02:21:39,380
people probably are not aware of it but

2698
02:21:49,140 --> 02:21:41,990
after the Armstrong Circle theatre

2699
02:21:53,591 --> 02:21:49,150
debacle where Kehoe was cut off okay in

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02:21:56,560 --> 02:21:53,601
sentence when he was stating what he

2701
02:22:01,060 --> 02:21:56,570
knew to be a fact about the military and

2702
02:22:04,480 --> 02:22:01,070
and the UFO reports they muted him which

2703
02:22:08,350 --> 02:22:04,490
created a firestorm literally across the

2704
02:22:11,320 --> 02:22:08,360
country long John Neville among others

2705
02:22:13,990 --> 02:22:11,330
jumped in there brought Kehoe on to talk

2706
02:22:16,060 --> 02:22:14,000
about it and a teenage Jean Steinberg

2707
02:22:19,360 --> 02:22:16,070
and his friend Ken Albert sent a

2708
02:22:22,541 --> 02:22:19,370
telegram to Long John to ask Kehoe what

2709
02:22:25,541 --> 02:22:22,551
happened but then Mike Wallace sitting

2710
02:22:29,171 --> 02:22:25,551
in studio had a talk show he back in

2711
02:22:33,280 --> 02:22:29,181
those days Wallace was basically a muck

2712
02:22:36,700 --> 02:22:33,290
raker all right Wallace was a muckraker

2713
02:22:41,110 --> 02:22:36,710
and he was sitting I'll never forget

2714
02:22:43,091 --> 02:22:41,120
this I had a video copy of this

2715
02:22:44,140 --> 02:22:43,101
interview sitting there smoking on

2716
02:22:46,330 --> 02:22:44,150
screen

2717
02:22:49,240 --> 02:22:46,340
okay of course everybody smoked back in

2718
02:22:54,190 --> 02:22:49,250
those days but Wallace is there blown

2719
02:22:57,551 --> 02:22:54,200
smoke rings out and Kehoe was basically

2720
02:23:01,240 --> 02:22:57,561
saying look we have these four documents

2721
02:23:04,240 --> 02:23:01,250
and Wallace got a mom so wait a minute

2722
02:23:07,180 --> 02:23:04,250
he said I called the Air Force I talked

2723
02:23:10,210 --> 02:23:07,190
to the Air Force and if I'm not mistaken

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02:23:12,480 --> 02:23:10,220
Jane the guy that he talked to was an

2725
02:23:16,210 --> 02:23:12,490
Air Force colonel by the name of tacker

2726
02:23:17,020 --> 02:23:16,220
okay who at that time were Lawrence

2727
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tacker

2728
02:23:22,420 --> 02:23:19,580
yeah was one of the public spokespeople

2729
02:23:27,551 --> 02:23:22,430
from the Air Force that addressed UFO

2730
02:23:29,280 --> 02:23:27,561
issues and Wallace told him they said to

2731
02:23:34,360 --> 02:23:29,290
me major Keyhoe

2732
02:23:39,130 --> 02:23:34,370
that three of the four documents that

2733
02:23:44,680 --> 02:23:39,140
you referenced do not exist and the

2734
02:23:49,150 --> 02:23:44,690
fourth one does exist but it doesn't say

2735
02:23:52,091 --> 02:23:49,160
what you said it says now basically on

2736
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the air the Air Force tried a public

2737
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assassination of Kehoe's character and

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02:24:01,051 --> 02:23:57,440
this is one of the the places where I

2739
02:24:04,060 --> 02:24:01,061
said he's just he was too nice of a guy

2740
02:24:08,470 --> 02:24:04,070
because I would have been in Wallace's

2741
02:24:10,600 --> 02:24:08,480
face but Kehoe said simply I stand by

2742
02:24:12,850 --> 02:24:10,610
what I said we're gonna stand by this

2743
02:24:15,700 --> 02:24:12,860
announcement and then conclude the show

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in a next segment with Don Ecker Jean

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Mike Wallace ston Kehoe such a nice guy

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Don yeah so Kehoe simply tried to refute

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by what Wallace said by simply stating I

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stand by my remarks now today we know we

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know the Kehoe was absolutely being

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correct and honest and truthful those

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documents all do exist ok and the

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document that Wallace was referring to

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that did exist but it didn't say what

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Kehoe said it said was the estimate of

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the situation ok now what does all this

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mean well about 20 years ago we're a

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little over 20 years ago we were

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02:30:00,990 --> 02:29:58,160
discussing this this on my show my

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02:30:03,850 --> 02:30:01,000
co-host at the time Dwight Schultz

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internationally renowned screen and

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02:30:10,631 --> 02:30:07,311
stage star had a huge interest in the

2850
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UFO phenomenon I met him we became

2851
02:30:17,580 --> 02:30:15,110
friends I invited him to appear one time

2852
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on the show and he did such a great job

2853
02:30:24,070 --> 02:30:20,870
not that I was surprised but I said look

2854
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when you're in town and you're available

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you're always free to come in here and

2856
02:30:32,470 --> 02:30:29,300
sit down and co-host which he often took

2857
02:30:34,091 --> 02:30:32,480
advantage of so we're talking about this

2858
02:30:38,381 --> 02:30:34,101
incident with Mike Wallace

2859
02:30:41,830 --> 02:30:38,391
now Schultz knows a lot of people and he

2860
02:30:44,980 --> 02:30:41,840
also knows how to get in touch with a

2861
02:30:50,140 --> 02:30:44,990
lot of people well he wrote Wallace a

2862
02:30:51,790 --> 02:30:50,150
letter referencing this situation and he

2863
02:30:54,640 --> 02:30:51,800
basically asked him well you know all

2864
02:30:59,410 --> 02:30:54,650
those years ago mr. Wallace you may

2865
02:31:03,190 --> 02:30:59,420
doubt that Kehoe was lying about this

2866
02:31:06,100 --> 02:31:03,200
this material these documents well today

2867
02:31:06,850 --> 02:31:06,110
we know that Kehoe was absolutely

2868
02:31:09,940 --> 02:31:06,860
correct

2869
02:31:12,790 --> 02:31:09,950
how do you feel about being used by the

2870
02:31:15,160 --> 02:31:12,800
Air Force to try to assassinate his

2871
02:31:18,460 --> 02:31:15,170
character Wallace

2872
02:31:23,230 --> 02:31:18,470
ever responded so Schultz wrote him

2873
02:31:26,350 --> 02:31:23,240
again and Wallace never responded we

2874
02:31:30,010 --> 02:31:26,360
have cases like that where these people

2875
02:31:33,280 --> 02:31:30,020
are never held to account and I gotta

2876
02:31:36,760 --> 02:31:33,290
tell you at the time I was I was very

2877
02:31:41,040 --> 02:31:36,770
upset about that here was a guy Kehoe

2878
02:31:45,340 --> 02:31:41,050
say about him what you want he was a he

2879
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utilized hyperbole he was this he was

2880
02:31:52,990 --> 02:31:49,220
that he was excitable in his writing and

2881
02:31:56,020 --> 02:31:53,000
he loved these mysteries and he'd really

2882
02:31:58,420 --> 02:31:56,030
you know tie them up in knots to get the

2883
02:32:01,600 --> 02:31:58,430
reading public to buy his books but the

2884
02:32:04,330 --> 02:32:01,610
guy was in my book he was a straight

2885
02:32:06,700 --> 02:32:04,340
shooter nobody ever had to answer for

2886
02:32:09,520 --> 02:32:06,710
that ever yeah he wasn't too impressed

2887
02:32:13,600 --> 02:32:09,530
with the Condon report either what I

2888
02:32:15,850 --> 02:32:13,610
recall that's just for another show on

2889
02:32:19,630 --> 02:32:15,860
the Condon report that was something I

2890
02:32:24,630 --> 02:32:19,640
got into it with a skeptic by the name

2891
02:32:27,850 --> 02:32:24,640
of Curtis Peebles lives out here in Suns

2892
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Southern California in one of his books

2893
02:32:34,360 --> 02:32:30,979
I still have the book he was talking

2894
02:32:38,370 --> 02:32:34,370
about the Condon report he was talking

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02:32:41,770 --> 02:32:38,380
about the document that was disclosed

2896
02:32:43,980 --> 02:32:41,780
prior to the Condon report sitting or

2897
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the Condon committee sitting down to

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examine the evidence Edward Condon a

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Ashlock Meister of the first order

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Condon there's a lot about that as a

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matter of fact they rushed the

2902
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conclusion out from the Condon report

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02:33:09,670 --> 02:33:06,590
this was in 68 before Richard Nixon was

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sworn in as president and there was a

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reason for that this is another

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little-known fact but Nixon garnered

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much of his eight in the early late

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forties the early fifties this was

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during the great Red Scare he sat as one

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of the committee members on the house of

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an American active

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02:33:36,760 --> 02:33:33,470
these Edward Condon at that time was put

2913
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under scrutiny and under the microscope

2914
02:33:45,610 --> 02:33:41,630
and Condon loath Richard Nixon Richard

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Nixon loathe tanden now remember this

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was during the democratic administration

2917
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of Lyndon Johnson but didn't Richard

2918
02:33:56,320 --> 02:33:54,410
Nixon loathe just about everybody hmm

2919
02:33:58,179 --> 02:33:56,330
no I got a nice letter from him one time

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02:34:00,070 --> 02:33:58,189
so I'm gonna I'm gonna go on the

2921
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assumption he didn't loathe me of course

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then again he didn't know me but at any

2923
02:34:08,830 --> 02:34:05,680
rate this was under Lyndon Johnson's

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administration and a brand new like

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every time the administration changes

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suddenly everything gets turned upside

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02:34:20,110 --> 02:34:17,540
down topsy-turvy and they wanted to get

2928
02:34:22,900 --> 02:34:20,120
their report out and gone because

2929
02:34:25,870 --> 02:34:22,910
perhaps just out of spite

2930
02:34:28,300 --> 02:34:25,880
Nixon might have gone after these guys

2931
02:34:30,750 --> 02:34:28,310
in this report there's no way of knowing

2932
02:34:35,080 --> 02:34:30,760
now we've all heard the rumors for years

2933
02:34:38,469 --> 02:34:35,090
that Nixon knew a lot about the UFO

2934
02:34:41,139 --> 02:34:38,479
topic that he had a great great interest

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02:34:44,610 --> 02:34:41,149
in it we all know the stories about him

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02:34:48,880 --> 02:34:44,620
and his golfing buddy Jackie Gleason and

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02:34:51,070 --> 02:34:48,890
Nixon allegedly taking Gleason down to

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an Air Force Base in Florida where he

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02:34:56,620 --> 02:34:53,330
allowed him to view the body of a dead

2940
02:34:58,719 --> 02:34:56,630
et we've heard all these stories done

2941
02:35:00,280 --> 02:34:58,729
I'd really like to back up here just for

2942
02:35:02,110 --> 02:35:00,290
a minute because this is too important

2943
02:35:04,870 --> 02:35:02,120
not to just make sure we've got clear

2944
02:35:07,000 --> 02:35:04,880
here you were saying that Kehoe had a

2945
02:35:09,429 --> 02:35:07,010
copy of the estimate of the situation

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because those were all supposed to have

2947
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been burned are you sure you weren't

2948
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referring to the twinning document the

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twinning briefing where he says the

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phenomena reported is something real not

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visionary or fictitious or did he

2952
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actually is he alleged to actually have

2953
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a copy of the estimate of the situation

2954
02:35:32,979 --> 02:35:28,699
well the estimate of the situation was

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not totally destroyed and later on as a

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matter of fact Leonard Stringfield had a

2957
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facsimile of that it was my

2958
02:35:45,070 --> 02:35:42,800
understanding I don't know if Kehoe

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had an actual copy of it but it was my

2960
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understanding the estimate of the

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situation is what keyhole referred to

2962
02:35:54,460 --> 02:35:52,160
interesting because we're we've been

2963
02:35:56,980 --> 02:35:54,470
trying to find an actual copy of that

2964
02:35:59,170 --> 02:35:56,990
for years it says it's almost like one

2965
02:36:01,540 --> 02:35:59,180
of the Holy Grails of ethology and yet I

2966
02:36:03,340 --> 02:36:01,550
haven't been able to find any and is

2967
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none online I haven't seen it published

2968
02:36:07,240 --> 02:36:05,479
anywhere our appellate referred to it

2969
02:36:10,630 --> 02:36:07,250
and said there were a few copies that

2970
02:36:12,550 --> 02:36:10,640
survived one of which he saw so I could

2971
02:36:14,920 --> 02:36:12,560
see how Kehoe might have ended up with

2972
02:36:17,620 --> 02:36:14,930
it which would be really interesting if

2973
02:36:19,389 --> 02:36:17,630
we could track that down historically

2974
02:36:21,880 --> 02:36:19,399
somehow yeah I agree

2975
02:36:23,080 --> 02:36:21,890
well this is a good place to kind of end

2976
02:36:25,330 --> 02:36:23,090
it from now you know there's a lot more

2977
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to talk about and I like to see if our

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guests Don Ecker and our special guest

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co-hosts j.r and the Murphy can rejoin

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us for a little while on after the power

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cast is that possible if we get the

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scheduling right you can count me in

2983
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well I'd have to be able to work into

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the schedule we'll work it out with

2985
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these gentlemen Don Ecker please tell

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our listeners if they wanna know more

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about the things you do and it's quite

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considerable tell us more dark matters

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